Notices
Charter Part 121 pax charter airlines

Swift Air - The truth

Old 07-05-2019, 03:17 PM
  #491  
Gets Weekends Off
 
MNPS 50N50W's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jun 2010
Posts: 167
Default

PAY....WHO CARES ABOUT PAY.
But wait. One Captain walked off the aircraft earlier this week and quit. ( CP had to cover the trip to Alaska ) 3 more Captains have submitted resignations for this month. So 3 last month, and 4 this month.
2 F/O's also on the way out this month. Expect another 2 Captains to go as soon as a class date is announced.
The bean counters have already figured out that it is cheaper to hire and train, than pay more to keep them here.
So, pay is NOT going to happen anytime soon..
MNPS 50N50W is offline  
Old 07-05-2019, 05:31 PM
  #492  
All is fine at .79
 
TiredSoul's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Sep 2016
Position: Paahlot
Posts: 4,046
Default

Originally Posted by MNPS 50N50W View Post
PAY....WHO CARES ABOUT PAY.
But wait. One Captain walked off the aircraft earlier this week and quit. ( CP had to cover the trip to Alaska ) 3 more Captains have submitted resignations for this month. So 3 last month, and 4 this month.
2 F/O's also on the way out this month. Expect another 2 Captains to go as soon as a class date is announced.
The bean counters have already figured out that it is cheaper to hire and train, than pay more to keep them here.
So, pay is NOT going to happen anytime soon..
They could pay $100k/year and not know if you’re staying.
They can pay $70k and know for sure you’re not staying and spend $30k/pilot on hiring/training and break even.

Sure
Wish
I
Finished
Training....

Won’t forget the first time a lead FA raised an eyebrow and said: Oh honey you’ve just been Swifted...

Nothing will change....unless there’s an incident.
Then the lights will go out in 6 months like Eastern after running Pence off the runway in LGA.
TiredSoul is offline  
Old 07-06-2019, 12:20 AM
  #493  
Gets Weekends Off
 
mexipilot84's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: Gear Handle supervisor
Posts: 1,035
Default

Originally Posted by TiredSoul View Post
They could pay $100k/year and not know if you’re staying.

They can pay $70k and know for sure you’re not staying and spend $30k/pilot on hiring/training and break even.



Sure

Wish

I

Finished

Training....



Won’t forget the first time a lead FA raised an eyebrow and said: Oh honey you’ve just been Swifted...



Nothing will change....unless there’s an incident.

Then the lights will go out in 6 months like Eastern after running Pence off the runway in LGA.


Time check
mexipilot84 is offline  
Old 07-06-2019, 01:47 PM
  #494  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Jun 2016
Posts: 233
Default

Originally Posted by mexipilot84 View Post
Posted it days ago
So the pay will practically stay the same unless we work more? If you take the bonus away and replace it with block hour pay then the pay stays the same unless you work more.

Last edited by Jeff90; 07-06-2019 at 02:04 PM.
Jeff90 is offline  
Old 07-06-2019, 11:19 PM
  #495  
Gets Weekends Off
 
mexipilot84's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: Gear Handle supervisor
Posts: 1,035
Default

Originally Posted by Jeff90 View Post
So the pay will practically stay the same unless we work more? If you take the bonus away and replace it with block hour pay then the pay stays the same unless you work more.


They’re getting rid of the retention bonuses in lieu of pay raises. Basically integrating it into the pay. Not sure what that will equal out to. We’re due one in September. Hopefully they decide on what the plan is.

Well if they raise the block pay then I can do more with the hourly rate than with a one time bonus. 2-3 days of OT at high block value is good money.
mexipilot84 is offline  
Old 07-07-2019, 04:13 AM
  #496  
Line Holder
 
Joined APC: Jun 2019
Posts: 38
Default

Originally Posted by randomroute View Post
What happens when theres no more OT?

What happens when you're tired of only getting 8-9 days off a month?

We have a 3 YEAR bonus schedule, which part of that would be shot into hourly rate? A $20/hr raise equates to $15k. But that base pay is $62.5k.Tell me how that is better?

We need to get paid for time on the ground. Not time in the air.

SWIFT PILOTS AND CREWS SPEND MORE TIME AT THE AIRPORT WITH THE DOOR OPEN THAN IN THE AIR.

3 to 6 hours of block flying in Miami equates to a 6 to 11 hour duty day. My personal record is 3.x of block with 18 hours of duty. No exaggeration. The planes break, the contractors fumble, the travel groups mishandle manifests etc. Making the pilot group expensive will force the company to get into better shape.
That’s the dark side of the charter business. You can’t rush a customer that’s paying for convenience.

A good solution may be a duty rig attached to your block pay. A 3:1 duty rig for example would pay 1 block/credit hour for every 3 hours on duty.
TikkleMe is offline  
Old 07-07-2019, 04:16 AM
  #497  
Polyester Pilot
 
sky jet's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: 777 CA
Posts: 510
Default

Originally Posted by randomroute View Post
What happens when theres no more OT?

What happens when you're tired of only getting 8-9 days off a month?

We have a 3 YEAR bonus schedule, which part of that would be shot into hourly rate? A $20/hr raise equates to $15k. But that base pay is $62.5k.Tell me how that is better?

We need to get paid for time on the ground. Not time in the air.

SWIFT PILOTS AND CREWS SPEND MORE TIME AT THE AIRPORT WITH THE DOOR OPEN THAN IN THE AIR.

3 to 6 hours of block flying in Miami equates to a 6 to 11 hour duty day. My personal record is 3.x of block with 18 hours of duty. No exaggeration. The planes break, the contractors fumble, the travel groups mishandle manifests etc. Making the pilot group expensive will force the company to get into better shape.
I hate to tell you this but higher hourly rates will not make your company more efficient or your customers get their acts together. I worked at ATA and we did a lot of the flying you are doing now including the MIA stuff. We made pretty good money back in the day. Same stories as you just related above. I now work for K4 and by most metrics we make great money for ACMI flying. Today I just finished a total FUBAR and it's not that unusual.

You need and deserve to make more money but don't think if you get it your company will become more streamlined. Charter/ACMI flying is never going to run as smooth as scheduled passenger or freight flying.
sky jet is offline  
Old 07-07-2019, 07:50 AM
  #498  
New Hire
 
Joined APC: Jun 2019
Posts: 8
Default

Originally Posted by mexipilot84 View Post
They’re getting rid of the retention bonuses in lieu of pay raises. Basically integrating it into the pay. Not sure what that will equal out to. We’re due one in September. Hopefully they decide on what the plan is.

Well if they raise the block pay then I can do more with the hourly rate than with a one time bonus. 2-3 days of OT at high block value is good money.
When will the pay rates go into effect, is it something the next few classes will see? Also, is everyone still going to MIA for sims and for the initial base? I've heard that IWA/AZA has FO openings now, wondering if some people in future classes would get stuck there instead of MIA, or are there still enough FO spots open in MIA where everyone goes there?
roflcopter is offline  
Old 07-07-2019, 09:02 AM
  #499  
Line holder
 
symbian simian's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Nov 2013
Position: On the bus,seat 0A
Posts: 3,215
Default

Originally Posted by randomroute View Post
What happens when theres no more OT?

What happens when you're tired of only getting 8-9 days off a month?

We have a 3 YEAR bonus schedule, which part of that would be shot into hourly rate? A $20/hr raise equates to $15k. But that base pay is $62.5k.Tell me how that is better?

We need to get paid for time on the ground. Not time in the air.

SWIFT PILOTS AND CREWS SPEND MORE TIME AT THE AIRPORT WITH THE DOOR OPEN THAN IN THE AIR.

3 to 6 hours of block flying in Miami equates to a 6 to 11 hour duty day. My personal record is 3.x of block with 18 hours of duty. No exaggeration. The planes break, the contractors fumble, the travel groups mishandle manifests etc. Making the pilot group expensive will force the company to get into better shape.
Standard for scheduled 121:
5 hours of pay anytime I get dressed (for me averaged over the trip, barf...)
1 hour for every 2 hour in uniform.
1 hour for every 3.5 hour TAFB.

Not sure how likely it is, but worth fighting for. Good luck!
symbian simian is offline  
Old 07-07-2019, 11:56 AM
  #500  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Jun 2016
Posts: 233
Default

Originally Posted by roflcopter View Post
When will the pay rates go into effect, is it something the next few classes will see? Also, is everyone still going to MIA for sims and for the initial base? I've heard that IWA/AZA has FO openings now, wondering if some people in future classes would get stuck there instead of MIA, or are there still enough FO spots open in MIA where everyone goes there?
My class 50% got IWA and 50% got Mia no home basing, some of us are hoping to hold home based with this upgrade bid that just came out. I’m hoping for August home based. Mia Schedules are pretty commutable with decent days off but I like more days off in a row if I can get it.
Jeff90 is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
avi8tor220
Air Wisconsin
6751
05-07-2019 11:11 AM
lwaddle
Hiring News
24
04-15-2018 02:22 PM
jeff122670
Hangar Talk
9
05-01-2013 07:14 PM
Duksrule
Hangar Talk
4
11-09-2011 06:56 AM
FastDEW
Major
201
09-03-2011 06:42 AM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Your Privacy Choices