Swift Air - The truth
#491
PAY....WHO CARES ABOUT PAY.
But wait. One Captain walked off the aircraft earlier this week and quit. ( CP had to cover the trip to Alaska ) 3 more Captains have submitted resignations for this month. So 3 last month, and 4 this month.
2 F/O's also on the way out this month. Expect another 2 Captains to go as soon as a class date is announced.
The bean counters have already figured out that it is cheaper to hire and train, than pay more to keep them here.
So, pay is NOT going to happen anytime soon..
But wait. One Captain walked off the aircraft earlier this week and quit. ( CP had to cover the trip to Alaska ) 3 more Captains have submitted resignations for this month. So 3 last month, and 4 this month.
2 F/O's also on the way out this month. Expect another 2 Captains to go as soon as a class date is announced.
The bean counters have already figured out that it is cheaper to hire and train, than pay more to keep them here.
So, pay is NOT going to happen anytime soon..
#492
PAY....WHO CARES ABOUT PAY.
But wait. One Captain walked off the aircraft earlier this week and quit. ( CP had to cover the trip to Alaska ) 3 more Captains have submitted resignations for this month. So 3 last month, and 4 this month.
2 F/O's also on the way out this month. Expect another 2 Captains to go as soon as a class date is announced.
The bean counters have already figured out that it is cheaper to hire and train, than pay more to keep them here.
So, pay is NOT going to happen anytime soon..
But wait. One Captain walked off the aircraft earlier this week and quit. ( CP had to cover the trip to Alaska ) 3 more Captains have submitted resignations for this month. So 3 last month, and 4 this month.
2 F/O's also on the way out this month. Expect another 2 Captains to go as soon as a class date is announced.
The bean counters have already figured out that it is cheaper to hire and train, than pay more to keep them here.
So, pay is NOT going to happen anytime soon..
They can pay $70k and know for sure you’re not staying and spend $30k/pilot on hiring/training and break even.
Sure
Wish
I
Finished
Training....
Won’t forget the first time a lead FA raised an eyebrow and said: Oh honey you’ve just been Swifted...
Nothing will change....unless there’s an incident.
Then the lights will go out in 6 months like Eastern after running Pence off the runway in LGA.
#493
They could pay $100k/year and not know if you’re staying.
They can pay $70k and know for sure you’re not staying and spend $30k/pilot on hiring/training and break even.
Sure
Wish
I
Finished
Training....
Won’t forget the first time a lead FA raised an eyebrow and said: Oh honey you’ve just been Swifted...
Nothing will change....unless there’s an incident.
Then the lights will go out in 6 months like Eastern after running Pence off the runway in LGA.
They can pay $70k and know for sure you’re not staying and spend $30k/pilot on hiring/training and break even.
Sure
Wish
I
Finished
Training....
Won’t forget the first time a lead FA raised an eyebrow and said: Oh honey you’ve just been Swifted...
Nothing will change....unless there’s an incident.
Then the lights will go out in 6 months like Eastern after running Pence off the runway in LGA.
Time check
#494
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2016
Posts: 233
#495
They’re getting rid of the retention bonuses in lieu of pay raises. Basically integrating it into the pay. Not sure what that will equal out to. We’re due one in September. Hopefully they decide on what the plan is.
Well if they raise the block pay then I can do more with the hourly rate than with a one time bonus. 2-3 days of OT at high block value is good money.
#496
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jun 2019
Posts: 38
What happens when theres no more OT?
What happens when you're tired of only getting 8-9 days off a month?
We have a 3 YEAR bonus schedule, which part of that would be shot into hourly rate? A $20/hr raise equates to $15k. But that base pay is $62.5k.Tell me how that is better?
We need to get paid for time on the ground. Not time in the air.
SWIFT PILOTS AND CREWS SPEND MORE TIME AT THE AIRPORT WITH THE DOOR OPEN THAN IN THE AIR.
3 to 6 hours of block flying in Miami equates to a 6 to 11 hour duty day. My personal record is 3.x of block with 18 hours of duty. No exaggeration. The planes break, the contractors fumble, the travel groups mishandle manifests etc. Making the pilot group expensive will force the company to get into better shape.
What happens when you're tired of only getting 8-9 days off a month?
We have a 3 YEAR bonus schedule, which part of that would be shot into hourly rate? A $20/hr raise equates to $15k. But that base pay is $62.5k.Tell me how that is better?
We need to get paid for time on the ground. Not time in the air.
SWIFT PILOTS AND CREWS SPEND MORE TIME AT THE AIRPORT WITH THE DOOR OPEN THAN IN THE AIR.
3 to 6 hours of block flying in Miami equates to a 6 to 11 hour duty day. My personal record is 3.x of block with 18 hours of duty. No exaggeration. The planes break, the contractors fumble, the travel groups mishandle manifests etc. Making the pilot group expensive will force the company to get into better shape.
A good solution may be a duty rig attached to your block pay. A 3:1 duty rig for example would pay 1 block/credit hour for every 3 hours on duty.
#497
What happens when theres no more OT?
What happens when you're tired of only getting 8-9 days off a month?
We have a 3 YEAR bonus schedule, which part of that would be shot into hourly rate? A $20/hr raise equates to $15k. But that base pay is $62.5k.Tell me how that is better?
We need to get paid for time on the ground. Not time in the air.
SWIFT PILOTS AND CREWS SPEND MORE TIME AT THE AIRPORT WITH THE DOOR OPEN THAN IN THE AIR.
3 to 6 hours of block flying in Miami equates to a 6 to 11 hour duty day. My personal record is 3.x of block with 18 hours of duty. No exaggeration. The planes break, the contractors fumble, the travel groups mishandle manifests etc. Making the pilot group expensive will force the company to get into better shape.
What happens when you're tired of only getting 8-9 days off a month?
We have a 3 YEAR bonus schedule, which part of that would be shot into hourly rate? A $20/hr raise equates to $15k. But that base pay is $62.5k.Tell me how that is better?
We need to get paid for time on the ground. Not time in the air.
SWIFT PILOTS AND CREWS SPEND MORE TIME AT THE AIRPORT WITH THE DOOR OPEN THAN IN THE AIR.
3 to 6 hours of block flying in Miami equates to a 6 to 11 hour duty day. My personal record is 3.x of block with 18 hours of duty. No exaggeration. The planes break, the contractors fumble, the travel groups mishandle manifests etc. Making the pilot group expensive will force the company to get into better shape.
You need and deserve to make more money but don't think if you get it your company will become more streamlined. Charter/ACMI flying is never going to run as smooth as scheduled passenger or freight flying.
#498
New Hire
Joined APC: Jun 2019
Posts: 8
They’re getting rid of the retention bonuses in lieu of pay raises. Basically integrating it into the pay. Not sure what that will equal out to. We’re due one in September. Hopefully they decide on what the plan is.
Well if they raise the block pay then I can do more with the hourly rate than with a one time bonus. 2-3 days of OT at high block value is good money.
Well if they raise the block pay then I can do more with the hourly rate than with a one time bonus. 2-3 days of OT at high block value is good money.
#499
What happens when theres no more OT?
What happens when you're tired of only getting 8-9 days off a month?
We have a 3 YEAR bonus schedule, which part of that would be shot into hourly rate? A $20/hr raise equates to $15k. But that base pay is $62.5k.Tell me how that is better?
We need to get paid for time on the ground. Not time in the air.
SWIFT PILOTS AND CREWS SPEND MORE TIME AT THE AIRPORT WITH THE DOOR OPEN THAN IN THE AIR.
3 to 6 hours of block flying in Miami equates to a 6 to 11 hour duty day. My personal record is 3.x of block with 18 hours of duty. No exaggeration. The planes break, the contractors fumble, the travel groups mishandle manifests etc. Making the pilot group expensive will force the company to get into better shape.
What happens when you're tired of only getting 8-9 days off a month?
We have a 3 YEAR bonus schedule, which part of that would be shot into hourly rate? A $20/hr raise equates to $15k. But that base pay is $62.5k.Tell me how that is better?
We need to get paid for time on the ground. Not time in the air.
SWIFT PILOTS AND CREWS SPEND MORE TIME AT THE AIRPORT WITH THE DOOR OPEN THAN IN THE AIR.
3 to 6 hours of block flying in Miami equates to a 6 to 11 hour duty day. My personal record is 3.x of block with 18 hours of duty. No exaggeration. The planes break, the contractors fumble, the travel groups mishandle manifests etc. Making the pilot group expensive will force the company to get into better shape.
5 hours of pay anytime I get dressed (for me averaged over the trip, barf...)
1 hour for every 2 hour in uniform.
1 hour for every 3.5 hour TAFB.
Not sure how likely it is, but worth fighting for. Good luck!
#500
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2016
Posts: 233
When will the pay rates go into effect, is it something the next few classes will see? Also, is everyone still going to MIA for sims and for the initial base? I've heard that IWA/AZA has FO openings now, wondering if some people in future classes would get stuck there instead of MIA, or are there still enough FO spots open in MIA where everyone goes there?
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