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Old 10-09-2019, 04:57 AM   #841  
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Delta and American have hundreds of accidents/incidents every year?
Not picking sides, but that is true. They also run around 900 planes each and several thousand flights per day. In the grand scheme I’d say they’re no worse or better. It’s a misleading stat, but is true. There are hundreds of incidents/accidents every year.

https://www.aeroinside.com/incidents/airline/delta

American and Delta are both in the top 20
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Old 10-09-2019, 06:25 AM   #842  
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So are you the chief pilot or not?
Absolutely not
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Old 10-09-2019, 09:26 AM   #843  
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I work for a company that has over 4000 flights a day and we don't have hundreds of incidents let alone accidents a year.
Here’s the top 20 airlines......

https://www.aeroinside.com/incidents/airlines
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Old 10-10-2019, 12:35 AM   #844  
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Not picking sides, but that is true. They also run around 900 planes each and several thousand flights per day. In the grand scheme I’d say they’re no worse or better. It’s a misleading stat, but is true. There are hundreds of incidents/accidents every year.

https://www.aeroinside.com/incidents/airline/delta

American and Delta are both in the top 20
If you're making a comparison with training environments, not including the placard at the entrance of the AA training facility; you are very very far from accurate my friend. You can't compare AA's training protocols and culture( Or any Legacy airline)to an ACMI....... let's be real now.
Industry standards are set at Legacy carriers for a reason.
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Old 10-10-2019, 04:50 AM   #845  
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If you're making a comparison with training environments, not including the placard at the entrance of the AA training facility; you are very very far from accurate my friend. You can't compare AA's training protocols and culture( Or any Legacy airline)to an ACMI....... let's be real now.
Industry standards are set at Legacy carriers for a reason.
I wasn’t doing any such thing. Somebody said the guy was wrong about the legacies having hundreds of incidents yearly. His stat was factually correct; his conclusion.... eh, not so much.
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Old 10-10-2019, 04:54 AM   #846  
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Man you guys just always wishing well onto others, Christ almighty. Hope your careers never go facing a dire situation. Calling everyone here to fail basically.

Some of us are working hard to better this place, even when those of you who have had negative experiences bite at our ankles.

Yeah a one crash airline is correct, we’re not delta or American who have had hundreds of incidents/accidents a year and can afford to stay afloat with their billions in insurance, lawyers etc. Doing it right the first time is key and that’s a struggle growing fast and trying to maintain a status quo. We have come a long way from what we were years ago. The mom and pop airline mentality unfortunately still exists in the operation and as it grows it’s unsustainable as you get to 200 pilots and 30 plus acft. FOQA is being implemented to help that and we do have gate keepers calling asking about flights. So they are keeping score.

I have never as CA, FO or LCA been made to do anything outside of safety or regulation. Nor have I ever felt the repercussions from it. 2 people sign the release not just one. Even if you’re the FO you have a say. Walk away and if as you guys claim someone pushes you ASAP it, report it etc. Your leadership doesn’t always know everything, show them in the book. Call out your CA. How many accidents have happened because the FO sits there and lets the CA dig both of their graves.....
Let us know how you stack up when you’re doing 7,000 flights a day.....
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Old 10-10-2019, 08:08 AM   #847  
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Comparing Legacy to certain ACMI's airlines 'Stats' is pointless..there is no comparison. Legacy airlines have a well established safety culture with robust safety reporting including FOQA, ask any legacy pilot if it's possible to violate safety policy and attempt to hide it..it's virtually impossible and grounds for immediate termination if discovered. Legacy reported incidents give an accurate indication of safety trends, pilots need to decide for themselves if they have confidence their respective airlines have a true safety culture with accurate reporting processes.

You also won't find a legacy CP threaten pilots for erring on the side of safety (or inserting themselves into ASAP reporting), then again legacy CP's are highly qualified and don't need to default to threats, bullying tactics and intimidation to hide a lack of knowledge, experience and competence
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You also won't find a legacy CP threaten pilots for erring on the side of safety (or inserting themselves into ASAP reporting), then again legacy CP's are highly qualified and don't need to default to threats, bullying tactics and intimidation to hide a lack of knowledge, experience and competence[/QUOTE]

This area has become a real problem. And really needs to be dealt with
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Spelling, punctuation, grammar.

Did you're high school English teacher just dip your papers in red ink? American public school education on display. The unintended consequences of the texting generation.
Well Sir. English is NOT my native language. But I am fluent in an additional 3 languages. I only BEG you NOT to send me back to whence I came.
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Old Yesterday, 08:15 AM   #850  
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Legacy pilots are encouraged to report Safety issues via ASAP and internal reporting mechanisms. The companies are not afraid of reported safety issues, they realize if you take care of the little things the big things will take care of themselves. There is consequently no reluctance on the pilots part to file reports, this is a primary indicator of a true and established Safety culture. This is also why the numbers seem high to someone at an airline that retaliates against employee's for reporting safety issues, the Legacy numbers are accurate while the company that ensures there's hell to pay for someone who files a safety report are not.

If employee's are reluctant and/or hesitant to report safety issues due to potential blow back from they're respective company, that's a primary indication of a faux safety culture, the CP is NOT supposed to be involved in the ASAP program..PERIOD. A call from a CP or anyone else in Flt Ops Management after filing any safety report should be a cause of great concern, and indicates a highly ineffective and dysfunctional Safety Culture.

If a pilot is concerned about retaliation from management over internal safety reporting programs (ASAP is administered by the airline), they should consider filing a NASA ASRS Report. This program operates outside of a companies internal safety reporting programs. An airline with a TRUE Safety culture will have this reporting system available to pilots and encourage it's use, an airline afraid of true reporting wont.

The notion that Legacy airlines have hundreds of accidents/incidents per year, and only stay afloat because of billions in revenue and high priced lawyers is patently absurd, it's actually opposite of that conclusion. The airlines encourage reporting, have comprehensive reporting mechanisms and pilots feel ZERO reluctance to do so.

It's simply a phylsophical difference, face and identify negative trends to resolve them, or suppress them (Including creating fear in pilots to report) to give the appearance 'all's well'. It's also the difference between a company that operates with integrity, and one that doesn't.
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