Seattle to Tokyo via Citation X+
09-22-2018, 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by RRonin
Please forgive me if I've posted this in the wrong place.
I'm a touring/studio musician with an aviation background (beginning in to 70's) that includes currently having a Citation M2 in my hangar. Before you ask, I'm paying my dues to learn to fly it now. I'm not a pro pilot, just recreational and "flights over dry land". LOL!
I have access to a Citation X+ (and crew) for a part of my next tour (2018-2019) and I'm considering flights to Tokyo from Seattle using this aircraft in lieu of something like a Gulfstream G450 (which I also have access to). We're hauling passengers and luggage. All of our gear (aside from a few guitars) will be on that side already.
Has anyone flown from Seattle to Anchorage and then on to Tokyo in this aircraft? Time frame is December 2018 and then again in March 2019. Insights? Other than stretching our legs in Alaska during refueling, does this actually pencil? I realize that we'll be running thin fuel by Japan.
But is this doable without scaring hell out of our wives? I'll sooth my fears in old Scotch.
I'm trying to determine if it's actually feasible and realistic. Considerations in aircraft type are due to my production company's financial contributions to the trips. If the X+ will work, I'd prefer it.
Thanks for the insights. I appreciate it.
I'm a touring/studio musician with an aviation background (beginning in to 70's) that includes currently having a Citation M2 in my hangar. Before you ask, I'm paying my dues to learn to fly it now. I'm not a pro pilot, just recreational and "flights over dry land". LOL!
I have access to a Citation X+ (and crew) for a part of my next tour (2018-2019) and I'm considering flights to Tokyo from Seattle using this aircraft in lieu of something like a Gulfstream G450 (which I also have access to). We're hauling passengers and luggage. All of our gear (aside from a few guitars) will be on that side already.
Has anyone flown from Seattle to Anchorage and then on to Tokyo in this aircraft? Time frame is December 2018 and then again in March 2019. Insights? Other than stretching our legs in Alaska during refueling, does this actually pencil? I realize that we'll be running thin fuel by Japan.
But is this doable without scaring hell out of our wives? I'll sooth my fears in old Scotch.
I'm trying to determine if it's actually feasible and realistic. Considerations in aircraft type are due to my production company's financial contributions to the trips. If the X+ will work, I'd prefer it.
Thanks for the insights. I appreciate it.
09-22-2018, 10:00 AM
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Hey All,
I’m not a Citation X guy, but I fly ANC-NRT a lot. I’d be really careful about injecting yourself into your flight department’s or pilot’s planning based on what you get from this forum.
For example, the winds on this route can be strong, but they are usually only a couple hundred miles wide. So we regularly take advantage of the tailwinds, but divert just slightly to avoid headwinds.
Your pilots may be suggesting ANC as a placeholder and may actually use Shemya or a civil airport in the Aleutians (SEA-SYA-NRT) as a tech stop (very doable in a 3000NM plane albeit with other concerns). That level of detail in panning probably wouldn’t be visible to a customer at this point.
So, basically, don’t listen to us too much.
I’m not a Citation X guy, but I fly ANC-NRT a lot. I’d be really careful about injecting yourself into your flight department’s or pilot’s planning based on what you get from this forum.
For example, the winds on this route can be strong, but they are usually only a couple hundred miles wide. So we regularly take advantage of the tailwinds, but divert just slightly to avoid headwinds.
Your pilots may be suggesting ANC as a placeholder and may actually use Shemya or a civil airport in the Aleutians (SEA-SYA-NRT) as a tech stop (very doable in a 3000NM plane albeit with other concerns). That level of detail in panning probably wouldn’t be visible to a customer at this point.
So, basically, don’t listen to us too much.
Last edited by Elevation; 09-22-2018 at 10:03 AM. Reason: Aleutians
09-22-2018, 10:58 AM
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KBFI-PANC-RJAA
3.5 hrs and then 7.5 hours
With the load you are predicting, the 450 is going to make your trip far more bearable. With those legs you also have to consider taking food, lav capacity, aircraft redundancy for emergency planning, etc. The 450 has a full galley, lav system to suffice for 8 plus crew, range, systems redundancy to ensure no wet footprint, etc.
3.5 hrs and then 7.5 hours
With the load you are predicting, the 450 is going to make your trip far more bearable. With those legs you also have to consider taking food, lav capacity, aircraft redundancy for emergency planning, etc. The 450 has a full galley, lav system to suffice for 8 plus crew, range, systems redundancy to ensure no wet footprint, etc.
09-22-2018, 12:49 PM
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Ice or Palm trees? Hmmm...
Originally Posted by capnflyright
KBFI-PANC-RJAA
3.5 hrs and then 7.5 hours
With the load you are predicting, the 450 is going to make your trip far more bearable. With those legs you also have to consider taking food, lav capacity, aircraft redundancy for emergency planning, etc. The 450 has a full galley, lav system to suffice for 8 plus crew, range, systems redundancy to ensure no wet footprint, etc.
3.5 hrs and then 7.5 hours
With the load you are predicting, the 450 is going to make your trip far more bearable. With those legs you also have to consider taking food, lav capacity, aircraft redundancy for emergency planning, etc. The 450 has a full galley, lav system to suffice for 8 plus crew, range, systems redundancy to ensure no wet footprint, etc.
Thanks, Capt.
Okay, so we're pretty certain that we should use the G450 to Tokyo (and then on to Hong Kong and then return to the US).
So it's reasonable to expect the G450 can do what we need. And our vintage guitars will get there undamaged! LOL!
My question now is about winter weather in ANC. Not having EVER flown into there in the dead of winter, are we better off heading to HNL and then across to Tokyo? From a safety standpoint (our wives and possibly kids will be onboard - that's still a topic of heated debate! LOL!) is the southern route doable and safer in December (16th-17th)?
09-22-2018, 12:55 PM
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Your mileage may vary but...
Originally Posted by Elevation
Hey All,
I’m not a Citation X guy, but I fly ANC-NRT a lot. I’d be really careful about injecting yourself into your flight department’s or pilot’s planning based on what you get from this forum.
For example, the winds on this route can be strong, but they are usually only a couple hundred miles wide. So we regularly take advantage of the tailwinds, but divert just slightly to avoid headwinds.
Your pilots may be suggesting ANC as a placeholder and may actually use Shemya or a civil airport in the Aleutians (SEA-SYA-NRT) as a tech stop (very doable in a 3000NM plane albeit with other concerns). That level of detail in panning probably wouldn’t be visible to a customer at this point.
So, basically, don’t listen to us too much.
I’m not a Citation X guy, but I fly ANC-NRT a lot. I’d be really careful about injecting yourself into your flight department’s or pilot’s planning based on what you get from this forum.
For example, the winds on this route can be strong, but they are usually only a couple hundred miles wide. So we regularly take advantage of the tailwinds, but divert just slightly to avoid headwinds.
Your pilots may be suggesting ANC as a placeholder and may actually use Shemya or a civil airport in the Aleutians (SEA-SYA-NRT) as a tech stop (very doable in a 3000NM plane albeit with other concerns). That level of detail in panning probably wouldn’t be visible to a customer at this point.
So, basically, don’t listen to us too much.
Thanks for the response!
I know that "your mileage may vary" but I'll tell you that any information, when averaged against intel of others helps to fill in the crayon drawing! LOL! These are very special shows where very special vintage guitars are going to be played so we have to be real careful here. Thus the requirement for private jets instead of first class airlines.
I'm still wondering if the southern route through HNL would be a better haul. I'm not sure that the G450 has enough range, but there are guys here who fly them who know the route. And in winter, I'd rather see bikinis than seals and crab fishermen anytime! (No offense to crab guys, but hey, we're talking about bikinis...) LOL!
09-22-2018, 05:00 PM
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Look into a Legacy 650 maybe. Super midsize that will comfortably fit 6-8 on this mission.
Published 3,900nm range. But that’s a no wind perfect world sales number.
Should charter for around 5-6K/hr
Enjoy the trip
Published 3,900nm range. But that’s a no wind perfect world sales number.
Should charter for around 5-6K/hr
Enjoy the trip
09-22-2018, 08:04 PM
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KBFI-PHNL
5.4 hrs
PHNL-RJAA
7.5-7.7 hrs
The tech stops going through HNL are definitely better than going North especially if something breaks and you are grounded. Also considering clearances, going South can be easier versus dealing with Russia.
5.4 hrs
PHNL-RJAA
7.5-7.7 hrs
The tech stops going through HNL are definitely better than going North especially if something breaks and you are grounded. Also considering clearances, going South can be easier versus dealing with Russia.
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