Sun Country vs staying at Regional?
10-21-2018, 08:29 AM
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Sun Country is 2 year upgrade.. He is still a 1 year 121 guy will need to build what 4000 TT to be competitive at the big 3. He could be flying to vacation destinations on a 737 while building TT and upgrade in two years. Bigger equip. looks better on a resume plus his QOL will be 10x what it is now while he builds his TT up.
10-21-2018, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Jet Jockey 00
Sun Country is 2 year upgrade.. He is still a 1 year 121 guy will need to build what 4000 TT to be competitive at the big 3. He could be flying to vacation destinations on a 737 while building TT and upgrade in two years. Bigger equip. looks better on a resume plus his QOL will be 10x what it is now while he builds his TT up.
10-21-2018, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by beech1980
Keep in mind as much as 25% of new hire classes are not making it through training. It’s a big blemish if you don’t make it. Qol is not gonna be better on reserve as a captain. 737 type might help but a faster upgrade at Skywest would be enough to get hired as well. The destinations should not be a deciding factor on coming to SCA... your goal should be to make as much money as you can in the fewest amount of days. Long layovers mean no pay on a crap trip rig. If they don’t grow there won’t be much upgrading. They are already downsizing growth plans because no one will come and stay here.
10-21-2018, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by beech1980
Keep in mind as much as 25% of new hire classes are not making it through training. It’s a big blemish if you don’t make it. Qol is not gonna be better on reserve as a captain. 737 type might help but a faster upgrade at Skywest would be enough to get hired as well. The destinations should not be a deciding factor on coming to SCA... your goal should be to make as much money as you can in the fewest amount of days. Long layovers mean no pay on a crap trip rig. If they don’t grow there won’t be much upgrading. They are already downsizing growth plans because no one will come and stay here.
He’s not asking you for that.
10-21-2018, 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Sliceback
Stay. Upgrade. Build up 121 PIC time.
Delaying upgrade doesn’t help your resume. The majors are more interested in you upgrading vs you flying a 737.
Your looking at general gates on your resume to be more competitive. DL had a two year average civilian new hire qualifications of 7600 TT and 4100 PIC(not 121, just PIC). They also said “highly qualified is 1000 hrs TPIC). Other airlines have mentioned 500, or 1000 hrs TPIC, or 121 PIC, in the past.
I’d prepare two resumes, on a forward looking yearly basis, comparing what your resume would look like if you went to Sun Country vs staying at Skywest. And compare them to when you’d get 3,000 TT, 4,000, 5,000, 7600, as well as 500, 1,000 and 2,000 hrs 121 PIC. As well as when might you have an opportunity to be a CKA? I think the answer would be to stay.
Pay? Ridiculous to look at pay. Getting the best resume to get higher at your final job faster is the ultimate goal. A year added at the end of your career for a young guy is worth over $600,000, and perhaps $700,000, in today’s dollars. Let’s say you’re going to get hired at X hrs total time. Going to Sun Country will delay you reaching X hrs by approx. three months. If that’s the difference in getting hired it just cost you $150,000. So there’s a value to not jumping between jobs unless the new job fills an obvious hole in your resume/career advancement.
You’ll have the opportunity to fly the 737, or A320, for years and years at a major. Don’t chase a ‘big’ jet job unless it fills a hole in your resume or you have lots of squares filled but aren’t getting any traction. Then I’d pursue a new opportunity.
Short answer - You’re trading two years of regional Captain for two years of 737 FO experience on your resume. That is not a resume improvement move. Be patient and make steady advancements towards a competitive resume.
Good luck.
Delaying upgrade doesn’t help your resume. The majors are more interested in you upgrading vs you flying a 737.
Your looking at general gates on your resume to be more competitive. DL had a two year average civilian new hire qualifications of 7600 TT and 4100 PIC(not 121, just PIC). They also said “highly qualified is 1000 hrs TPIC). Other airlines have mentioned 500, or 1000 hrs TPIC, or 121 PIC, in the past.
I’d prepare two resumes, on a forward looking yearly basis, comparing what your resume would look like if you went to Sun Country vs staying at Skywest. And compare them to when you’d get 3,000 TT, 4,000, 5,000, 7600, as well as 500, 1,000 and 2,000 hrs 121 PIC. As well as when might you have an opportunity to be a CKA? I think the answer would be to stay.
Pay? Ridiculous to look at pay. Getting the best resume to get higher at your final job faster is the ultimate goal. A year added at the end of your career for a young guy is worth over $600,000, and perhaps $700,000, in today’s dollars. Let’s say you’re going to get hired at X hrs total time. Going to Sun Country will delay you reaching X hrs by approx. three months. If that’s the difference in getting hired it just cost you $150,000. So there’s a value to not jumping between jobs unless the new job fills an obvious hole in your resume/career advancement.
You’ll have the opportunity to fly the 737, or A320, for years and years at a major. Don’t chase a ‘big’ jet job unless it fills a hole in your resume or you have lots of squares filled but aren’t getting any traction. Then I’d pursue a new opportunity.
Short answer - You’re trading two years of regional Captain for two years of 737 FO experience on your resume. That is not a resume improvement move. Be patient and make steady advancements towards a competitive resume.
Good luck.
10-21-2018, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by nitefr8dog
25%.? We are talking about a 737 are we not? It's not the space shuttle. Does the training suck that bad they can't get people through the sim? Or are they failing elsewhere?
10-21-2018, 08:41 PM
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Do the interview, if they give you an offer, decide then. I would recommend staying at Sky West and upgrading ASAP if you want Delta/United. Delta can teach you to fly 737's but they want you to have PIC experience before you walk in the door.
10-21-2018, 09:48 PM
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Is there a min TT or time in type etc to upgrade at sun country? How many hrs do people fly a yr there?
I ask because even if upgrades are at 2 yrs but you need 4k hrs also would someone who only has a yr at a regional be able to meet those requirements in 2 yrs?
I think the road to a major would happen faster at skywest.
I ask because even if upgrades are at 2 yrs but you need 4k hrs also would someone who only has a yr at a regional be able to meet those requirements in 2 yrs?
I think the road to a major would happen faster at skywest.
10-21-2018, 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by beech1980
It’s happening in ground school, the sim and IOE. They don’t hire pilots they think can make it. They hire pilots that qualify for the ATP.
In regards to the whole failure rate deal. Regionals are also seeing this. I think it has more to do with the lowering of hiring standards then it has to do with the actual training program itself.
I feel like having been at a regional for a year now, having that jet experience, and having no training problems while here means I can reasonably expect to do well at SCA. But if there is something fundamentally wrong with the training, that is something I would like to know.
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