Hellafo

12-16% direct contribution (Meaning regardless of your contribution), is the new industry standard.

MNPS 50N50W

It's all relative, isn't it. Depending on what you are being offered to do the same job at your current employer. Perhaps this employer values their people more than my current employer. My current employer has a 0.0 contribution. And can't seem to get my paycheck right the first time, without an argument and complaining to the payroll Department every month. What ever the argument is folks, If the employer values you, your contribution to the success of the company, they sweeten the deal with matching 401k, profit sharing, minimum day pay etc; all the little things that attract and keep their people. It may still be below industry standards, but well above the value my current employer places on my contribution to the success of the company. Its all relative. $$ talks.
B$ has been the walk at my current employer. Its all relative...

Hellafo

Let's take a look at SH's track record in leadership positions in the airline industry....

USA3000-Doesn't exist(bankrupt).
North American Airlines- Doesn't exist(bankrupt).
Allegiant Airlines-COO and lasted a year.
Buyer's beware, I'd probably go to a ULCC like Frontier before considering working for Eastern version....4.0?
Hella.

Braniff DC8

No disrespect to smoothlanding, however, Hell is right. This is round 2 now for Eastern and I just do not see how it can succeed. Read my post, page 2, I think. It may seem trvial but DH in economy is not an industry norm and speaks to what they think of you. Benefits too will be expensive for a family.

With limited CASS, it will be tough to try and commute. New York too is very expensive and you may be liable for taxes. There have been three of the eight jets just sitting in MIA for months. The fleet is all painted differently and they are old airplanes now. Most startups, even Eastern number 2 started with new aircraft.

Lots have left in the past year and a bunch went to Omni with home basing, better pay and DH IN BUSINESS OR BETTER. It’s not a slam, it’s a discussion point and something important Hell brings up. Are you willing to try and see if it succeeds this time? Are you willing to quit your current job to go to Eastern part 2 (well, 3 if you really include the original)? Go read Captjns post previous page, excellent point too!

Only Frontier has succeeded in resurrection of an old name. Frontier actually was merged and never went out of business as Eastern did.

Best of luck but again, if it sounds to good to be true it probably is.

Sorry Smooth, I know your just giving info. Again, no disrespect. Perhaps you can enlighten us?

https://www.reviewjournal.com/busine...itable-course/

Hellafo

Absolutely, I don't post on here to disrespect or as a d(+$ measuring contest, just putting out there facts so people on here make informed career decisions. This is the best time in the airline industry, literally everyone is hiring, makes you wonder if these CEOs just say, ok we will offer them this middle of the pack benefits package and we will get just enough warm bodies in the seat.
I post on here because I am tired of management types taking advantage of pilots, perpetuating a 36th street race to the bottom mentality.

Smoothlanding

Here is the answer to some of the questions, just to help fellow pilots considering Eastern.

1. I’m not sure where the hiring is at for January, but my guess if they can hire experience DEC’s, they will in the next few classes. Class size has usually been 6 every month due to sim resources. It’s my understanding they are running a class every month.

2. As for business strategy, here is an article published in last day. The fleet we have is owned by the company outright, that is their strategy to use wholly owned aircraft. The owner Ken Wooley also have an aircraft leasing business. He has several 777’s parked in Kansas City too plus some 767’s. This appears to be the new paint scheme in the article and new FA uniforms. Mr Wooley also owns Extra Space Storage which has over a 1,000 storage locations.

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3. Miami is a maintenance base so yes all aircraft parked here. We have not been flying a lot since September ( Sunwing Contract ended Sept 1st) as we transition to scheduled service which starts next week and slowly ramps up to two flights a week in March to Guyana and Ecuador. Charter is still an area they are targeting and close to 1/2 of revenues. We had 6 aircraft flying Charters on Dec. 29th.

4. All pilots are home based so they buy you a ticket to work. We are in CASS and have some jumpseat agreements, with more coming I believe. I’ve been able to jumpseat around on my days off with what we have. They have not announced a domicile option yet but yes probably living in NYC offsets the extra $10/hr.

5. They just announced two more executives in Flight Ops and Finance. The new VP of Flight Ops has worked at Virgin America and Spirit in Flight Ops management roles.

6. I’d agree the medical for a family is not the best. The profit sharing we don’t have a lot of details on but will pay quarterly backloaded in 2020.

End.

RockyM

questions:

1. I live in MIA, does that means $10 more per hour?
2. Does company pay for accommodations at JFK for the 18 days ON or I'd need a crashpad?
3.All flight originate at JFK? Or there are some from MIA?

Thanks

Smoothlanding

1. Everyone is home based at the moment. So no, but in a year or two if you can hold the Miami domicile, yes $10/hr more. Domicile info to be released in near future.

2. Yes they pay unless it’s your domicile. Current schedule is set up so you’ll probably layover in the destination.

3. Initial Scheduled flights are mostly out of JFK. Some are planned for Miami and we have 1 daily charter flight out of MIA. Charter and DOD could be anywhere.

Boats and Hos

Thank you again Smooth.

Are they still having classes every month starting this month?
Are the 777s still coming? How many more 767s?
767 old style or LCDs?
Boeing procedures?
Are they finding people?

Boats and Hos

It’s 10$ for Capts and 5$ for FOs home based vs based? That’s what the pay scales say anyways.