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Hetman 09-22-2011 12:20 PM

I concede the point in reference to Williams v Jacksonville Terminal, however there is subsequent case law where status quo changes in the absence of a CBA have been successfully challenged despite that decision.

We'll see what the future brings now, but what it will not bring is 5 years or more under that proposed contract.

RJtrashPilot 09-22-2011 12:27 PM

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LIOG41 09-22-2011 12:30 PM


Originally Posted by Hetman (Post 1058483)
I concede the point in reference to Williams v Jacksonville Terminal, however there is subsequent case law where status quo changes in the absence of a CBA have been successfully challenged despite that decision.

We'll see what the future brings now, but what it will not bring is 5 years or more under that proposed contract.

IMHO, the 5+ years is what scares most if the proposed TA would have passed.

Hetman 09-22-2011 03:05 PM

You got that right! Marry in haste and repent at leisure.




So back to the table.

ATCsaidDoWhat 09-22-2011 05:24 PM


Originally Posted by Hetman (Post 1058585)
You got that right! Marry in haste and repent at leisure.




So back to the table.

So then what would you say will be the timeline for getting back to the table and re-engaging? And what will your strategy be if the company pushes back and starts sandbagging meetings?

In terms of the case law; how long did it take to resolve those cases? In the case of terminations, who pays the crewmembers paycheck and health insurance; or are they on their own until maybe they get their job back?

Put another way, Plan A always sounds like it's invincible. But the smart money is on the side that has a Plan B, C,and D on the shelf ready to go. I really and sincerely hope that the Omni pilots have them ready to go.

RJtrashPilot 09-22-2011 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by ATCsaidDoWhat (Post 1058648)
So then what would you say will be the timeline for getting back to the table and re-engaging? And what will your strategy be if the company pushes back and starts sandbagging meetings?

In terms of the case law; how long did it take to resolve those cases? In the case of terminations, who pays the crewmembers paycheck and health insurance; or are they on their own until maybe they get their job back?

Put another way, Plan A always sounds like it's invincible. But the smart money is on the side that has a Plan B, C,and D on the shelf ready to go. I really and sincerely hope that the Omni pilots have them ready to go.

Troll elsewhere.

740i 09-22-2011 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by ATCsaidDoWhat (Post 1058417)
Hetman, the last thing I am is management as asserted by others here. I do admit to having some pretty good contacts in the business on both sides of the fence, even though I freely admit to being 110% trade unionist.

How can you consider yourself a true trade unionist when you are advocating a pilot group take a TA that the majority are unhappy with?

You couldn't be more of a hyprocrite.

NightIP 09-22-2011 07:32 PM


Originally Posted by ATCsaidDoWhat (Post 1058648)

Put another way, Plan A always sounds like it's invincible. But the smart money is on the side that has a Plan B, C,and D on the shelf ready to go. I really and sincerely hope that the Omni pilots have them ready to go.

Plan B is that everyone votes with their feet by finding better jobs. Poor business practices are punished, one way or another. In this case, I wonder how they'll staff their jets when everyone gets sucked up to better companies. That's on them to figure out.

ATCsaidDoWhat 09-23-2011 03:45 AM


Originally Posted by 740i (Post 1058680)
How can you consider yourself a true trade unionist when you are advocating a pilot group take a TA that the majority are unhappy with?

You couldn't be more of a hyprocrite.

One has nothing to do with the other. I'm more concerned over the lack of voter turnout.

stuart716 09-23-2011 06:32 AM


Originally Posted by ATCsaidDoWhat (Post 1058836)
One has nothing to do with the other. I'm more concerned over the lack of voter turnout.


Do you work for Omni?


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