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02-17-2018, 11:15 AM
#911
Line Holder
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Posts: 33
What is this BS that seat supporters are now being required to sit in on orals and fly full profile as if it were their own checkride. Worse part is the union chairman just did a checkride and had a seat supporter sit in and allowed it to happen.
Sounds like the FAA needs to know that SY is holding these seat supporters to multiple checkrides. If this is the case these seat supporters should have their checkrides marked as complete and their base month should be adjusted. It’s one thing to be seat support, but that is it. They should not be asked oral questions and should not be held to a full checkride. Most of these guys are called in on a last minute call, and held to the same standard as the pilot that was aware and able to study for weeks ahead of time.
Sounds like the FAA needs to know that SY is holding these seat supporters to multiple checkrides. If this is the case these seat supporters should have their checkrides marked as complete and their base month should be adjusted. It’s one thing to be seat support, but that is it. They should not be asked oral questions and should not be held to a full checkride. Most of these guys are called in on a last minute call, and held to the same standard as the pilot that was aware and able to study for weeks ahead of time.
02-17-2018, 12:47 PM
#912
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2007
Position: Capt
Posts: 3,215
Originally Posted by mukalel
I keep hearing that somany hometown pilots are quitting to work elsewhere.. even if commuting becomes necessary.. wonder why the new company direction still has not made people stay..
Note: I would have applied for SC, except that they were never hiring when I needed a job. Sounds like a pretty great airline.
I lived 3 places in MN. It is a great place to live, as long as you can deal with the colder temps in Winter.
02-18-2018, 04:10 AM
#913
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jun 2017
Posts: 53
Originally Posted by greygoose
What is this BS that seat supporters are now being required to sit in on orals and fly full profile as if it were their own checkride. Worse part is the union chairman just did a checkride and had a seat supporter sit in and allowed it to happen.
Sounds like the FAA needs to know that SY is holding these seat supporters to multiple checkrides. If this is the case these seat supporters should have their checkrides marked as complete and their base month should be adjusted. It’s one thing to be seat support, but that is it. They should not be asked oral questions and should not be held to a full checkride. Most of these guys are called in on a last minute call, and held to the same standard as the pilot that was aware and able to study for weeks ahead of time.
Sounds like the FAA needs to know that SY is holding these seat supporters to multiple checkrides. If this is the case these seat supporters should have their checkrides marked as complete and their base month should be adjusted. It’s one thing to be seat support, but that is it. They should not be asked oral questions and should not be held to a full checkride. Most of these guys are called in on a last minute call, and held to the same standard as the pilot that was aware and able to study for weeks ahead of time.
Is this true?? I heard a buddy of mine say that one guy passed his initial training and then had to take another full checkride to change his training month or something? And then not only that he had to take a third checkride because the company failed to provide him a qualified captain on the second ride. I head this happened a few times over there and they just say....oh well!
Does the union offer any protection at all over this stuff at all?
Last edited by Flyonwall; 02-18-2018 at 04:31 AM.
02-18-2018, 11:54 AM
#915
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: Couch-Horizontal
Posts: 467
Originally Posted by Flyonwall
Is this true?? I heard a buddy of mine say that one guy passed his initial training and then had to take another full checkride to change his training month or something? And then not only that he had to take a third checkride because the company failed to provide him a qualified captain on the second ride. I head this happened a few times over there and they just say....oh well!
Does the union offer any protection at all over this stuff at all?
Does the union offer any protection at all over this stuff at all?
02-18-2018, 12:44 PM
#916
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: Couch-Horizontal
Posts: 467
Originally Posted by greygoose
Yes there have been a few called in on seat support. I have been told that the LC did speak up at the checkride, this was good to hear.
02-18-2018, 03:20 PM
#917
Banned
Joined APC: Jun 2017
Posts: 36
Originally Posted by Flyonwall
Is this true?? I heard a buddy of mine say that one guy passed his initial training and then had to take another full checkride to change his training month or something? And then not only that he had to take a third checkride because the company failed to provide him a qualified captain on the second ride. I head this happened a few times over there and they just say....oh well!
Does the union offer any protection at all over this stuff at all?
Does the union offer any protection at all over this stuff at all?
Union can't provide any protection for pilots on probation.
02-26-2018, 06:57 AM
#918
On Reserve
Joined APC: Aug 2013
Posts: 16
Has anyone else heard this rumor about a major conflict of interest within the ASAP/FOQA program?
I'm not going to say who or why just in case it is a rumor, but if true, our ASAP program is pretty much worthless. As if there wasn't enough doubt in the program already.
I'm not going to say who or why just in case it is a rumor, but if true, our ASAP program is pretty much worthless. As if there wasn't enough doubt in the program already.
02-28-2018, 07:03 AM
#919
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2015
Posts: 106
Got an email this week to start the interview process with the hogan personality test. This will be my first interview process other than at my current regional (and that was almost a joke how easy it was) any info on prep websites for sun country or if it's worth it or not?
02-28-2018, 07:21 AM
#920
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: Couch-Horizontal
Posts: 467
Originally Posted by RedBeardedPilot
Got an email this week to start the interview process with the hogan personality test. This will be my first interview process other than at my current regional (and that was almost a joke how easy it was) any info on prep websites for sun country or if it's worth it or not?
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