Any benefits to flying the 767 at Atlas?
#22
The seventeen days applies to everyone. It's way too early to figure out how the Seven Six schedules will play out. Pulled up the Feb bid package and they had five lines total. It was DHL or JFK reserve. I keep hearing it's going to start raining Seven Sixs but right now they're just trying to get people through OE.
#23
17 days applies, but I've heard CVG DHL flight might be more of a week on/week off type deal, and thus less rig pay.
#24
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There is some really good information on this forum on "ATLAS Hiring". I, for one, can attest to its' accuracy and candor as being spot on. It takes a while to read through it all but it is time well spent if you are at all interested. I interviewed with Atlas in early Feb and am still waiting for the results like several others who read and/or post regularly on here.
#25
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Lots of guys in my class took that leap. More than a few were doing really, really well as RJ captains but made the switch. I was an RJ FO for almost a decade, so it'll likely be a raise for me.
Plan on $1600/mo for the first 4 months when you run the numbers. training is 2 months, 747 guys typically have a month off before OE, flight pay kicks in when you complete OE.
Somebody posted the daily rig a while back, but basically if you're out 17 days, you will far exceed guarantee. only way to reduce that is to be in training, on vacation or on home reserve. unless OE is backlogged like the 767 is currently, i don't think you'll see many 50-hour months after you get on line. as for base reserve, you'll get the daily rig but get the tax hit for the days in base. depends on your base and what the company paid for your ticket. Highest airfares in the nation? HSV and CVG. maybe one of the 747 guys can chime in on how often you get base reserve. the new guys I know on the 747 keep pretty busy.
Trying to figure out what you'll make on the 767 is difficult until we get going. No one really knows. But i suspect the 767 freighter would probably be the worst case - if the schedule is week on/week off you may not be away 17 days and you'd always be beginning/ending in CVG and get the tax hit. If you were JFK based on the -300ER, you may not see JFK very much as the airplane may never be there. if they buy you a ticket to anywhere besides your crew base - no tax hit.
Plan on $1600/mo for the first 4 months when you run the numbers. training is 2 months, 747 guys typically have a month off before OE, flight pay kicks in when you complete OE.
Somebody posted the daily rig a while back, but basically if you're out 17 days, you will far exceed guarantee. only way to reduce that is to be in training, on vacation or on home reserve. unless OE is backlogged like the 767 is currently, i don't think you'll see many 50-hour months after you get on line. as for base reserve, you'll get the daily rig but get the tax hit for the days in base. depends on your base and what the company paid for your ticket. Highest airfares in the nation? HSV and CVG. maybe one of the 747 guys can chime in on how often you get base reserve. the new guys I know on the 747 keep pretty busy.
Trying to figure out what you'll make on the 767 is difficult until we get going. No one really knows. But i suspect the 767 freighter would probably be the worst case - if the schedule is week on/week off you may not be away 17 days and you'd always be beginning/ending in CVG and get the tax hit. If you were JFK based on the -300ER, you may not see JFK very much as the airplane may never be there. if they buy you a ticket to anywhere besides your crew base - no tax hit.
What sort of tax hit is it you are talking about?
#26
Still haven't flown the line yet (chime in to correct any errors), but here's how I understand it:
Gateway travel is taxable. That is, say you're based in JFK. Anytime the company flies you from your home airport-JFK to start a trip, or from JFK-home to end a trip, the price the company paid for that ticket is considered compensation by the IRS, and Atlas will automatically deduct the taxes from your paycheck. Same goes for your paid hotel room while in your crew base.
If the company decides to airline you somewhere besides your crew base, you don't pay the tax. As far as the 767 goes, we may not see JFK much, if at all, whereas DHL flying begins/ends in CVG.
Worst case, say you flew to your crew base and sat base reserve in your hotel room for the entire 17 days and flew home. You'd pay tax on the airfare and the entire hotel stay. But keep in mind, with the new daily rig, you'd credit a lot more than sitting 17 days on home reserve and just making guarantee.
Another factor is the ticket price. HSV and CVG are typically some of the highest airfares in the nation. I don't see ANC being cheap, either, but IAH, MIA and JFK would probably be a less.
I'm sure there are a million other factors/possibilities, but for now, it is what it is.
Gateway travel is taxable. That is, say you're based in JFK. Anytime the company flies you from your home airport-JFK to start a trip, or from JFK-home to end a trip, the price the company paid for that ticket is considered compensation by the IRS, and Atlas will automatically deduct the taxes from your paycheck. Same goes for your paid hotel room while in your crew base.
If the company decides to airline you somewhere besides your crew base, you don't pay the tax. As far as the 767 goes, we may not see JFK much, if at all, whereas DHL flying begins/ends in CVG.
Worst case, say you flew to your crew base and sat base reserve in your hotel room for the entire 17 days and flew home. You'd pay tax on the airfare and the entire hotel stay. But keep in mind, with the new daily rig, you'd credit a lot more than sitting 17 days on home reserve and just making guarantee.
Another factor is the ticket price. HSV and CVG are typically some of the highest airfares in the nation. I don't see ANC being cheap, either, but IAH, MIA and JFK would probably be a less.
I'm sure there are a million other factors/possibilities, but for now, it is what it is.
#27
CaptainV got most of it. If at the end of a trip and the company flys you home without you getting legal rest the ticket isn't taxed. At some bases almost all the trips start in base, about half the 74 trips in JFK start with a deadhead to the plane.
I believe CVG is a 76 base.
I believe CVG is a 76 base.
#28
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Maybe I missed it but when does the 767-200 flying start for DHL out of CVG? Will the -200s be some of ABX's older birds sitting in ILN right now or will they be from a different source?
Atlas isn't replacing ABX or these routes are they; these are in addition to right?
Sorry for all the questions but I'm just trying catch up
Atlas isn't replacing ABX or these routes are they; these are in addition to right?
Sorry for all the questions but I'm just trying catch up
#29
Hi NCR,
We start flying the DHL flights later this month...first airplane was delayed from last month, but we are to take delivery of it next week. And the second tail comes to us basically on schedule late in March also.
Sorry, but I don't know the details of the flying ABX used to do or if we are replacing any of their routes...
We start flying the DHL flights later this month...first airplane was delayed from last month, but we are to take delivery of it next week. And the second tail comes to us basically on schedule late in March also.
Sorry, but I don't know the details of the flying ABX used to do or if we are replacing any of their routes...
#30
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We got some DHL CVG flying for the -8s right after we lost BAX but that went away really quickly. Wondering if ASTAR is finally going to get the boot with this as well.
Just can't compete with the -8 when it compares to the 767.
Just can't compete with the -8 when it compares to the 767.
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