KSCessnaDriver

No Pax flying now...

pilotyip

Don't think we have any of those. But we have an assortment of military academy grads, frustrated regional FO 's who are years away from upgrade, and see the $100K pay the first year as a good deal. Over 2/3's of our seniority list has been here more than five years, and in the last year guys who have spent a few years here doing a good job have gone on to FedEx, DAL, a bunch to K-4 and a few to Atlas. As per before not for everyone, but if you live in the Ann Arbor area, not a bad deal for being home.

That must be why we are getting a lot of regional pilots applying, they want more money than they can make at a regional.

Hey guys thanks for bringing this thread back to life, might be why I am getting more resumes.

KSCessnaDriver

You're getting guys from regionals that are shutting down. You never mention where people went in the last 18 months that aren't big name places. How about the fact that you had 4 pilots bail in a single month for Endeavor?

Code Red

100k the first year you are so full of ****. What's that based on like 3 hard days off a month.

Flyjustin

Schedules at JUS are well below industry standard. Go to a regional airline. Starting pay is $60,000. most regionals upgrade in 1 1/2 years or less (more money) and have flow through agreements (AA). I would be gone a week at a time at JUS. PSA and ENDV you can easily have 16-18 days off a month. Regional CAs can make over 100,000$. Last but not least if you go to a regional airline you dont have to perform any physical labor...

Jetlife

But you can make 100k at JUS if you only take 1 day off a month!

Cleared4Option

I will say that the industry landscape has changed in the last 6 years or so...

I will also say that 3 of the 5 members of my initial class have ended up at a major. 2 Airbus Capt.'s and 1 Airbus FO who can hold Capt. Also, one member of the class went to Kalitta flying 747's... then back to a great gig at Netjets. I don't know what happened to the 5th fellow.

For all of us, JUS was a stepping stone that helped us get the jobs we have today along with much more money than the regionals were paying at the time.

On the flip side... not a lot of flight time, so if your goal is up your TT and out, it's probably not the place for you.

Yes, you do get abused... but they also had my back when I needed it. It was a true direct relationship where I could march into the DO's office and say my wife's sick, I need the time off and it was no questions asked for as long as I needed. I also had personality conflicts with the 'V-VIP' FA's and they had my back. But, I also would stay on the road if needed... no kids at the time and I was flexible.

I did hear the story of why the PAX ops is gone... Actually, pax flying was my favorite part of the job. March madness... charters, etc.

I also got to fly a DC-9 which was a very unique career path for someone of my 'generation' of 99% EFIS/Glass pilots. It makes for good stories and when I fly with older folks we actually have something in common.... driving the Diesel 9.

So, yes... your mileage may vary, but I was very glad for the opportunity to work there. It really is the right job for the right person... especially if you have a goal or exit strategy.

If you have tons of flight time and you are looking to round out a resume... if your career is stalled at the regionals... if you can't upgrade and want to make yourself unique... If you live locally and don't want to commute...

I will say the money thing is probably a wash... the regionals are throwing wicked amounts of cash compared to when I was there. Don't get me wrong, it's still a D-scale... maybe even a F-scale... but it's not $19,600 a year.

Yes, the loading was a pain. (That's why I bid PAX ops) And some of the 'personalities' are different... I always called it 121 and a half ops.

But, if it wasn't for JUS, I wouldn't be where I am today so I am grateful. And I still tell the story of pilotyip's day of celestial navigation filler training because we needed 'x' # of hours of ground school. I actually still use some of the techniques he showed us on occasion as nav hacks on red eyes. So, brutal work... yes. Just go in with your eyes open and have a way out and you'll be good.

Chyna

One question :
What are you smoking ???

Regionals : Glass cockpit aircraft some with new CRJ's or EMB's , normal airline schedule , 117 protection unlike those 24/6 reserve schedules and flying literally around the clock ,direct entry captain option with some regionals, quick upgrade with the others , once upgraded better pay than that of a freight Ad hoc pilot , you (may ) get fed and if you don't at least you you could buy normal food in the terminal and not chips out of a vending machine in a FBO , you could pee and crap in a lav and not in a damn bucket or a sticking porta potti , benefits and JS privileges on all major airlines ( Kalitta charters based in YIP doesn't have JS agreement with Delta who is the major player in DTW ( maybe due to scabs populating key management positions at Kalitta charters ? )
The legacies are hiring mostly from the regionals plus the insane signing and retention bonuses offered by the regionals.

Ad hoc SB's like USA JET , Kalitta charters and IFL ? :

Flying old falling apart pieces of crap aircraft a moment before they are being sent to the "grave yard" , when you will look to better your career and apply elsewhere ( trust me it'll happen quicker than you think) nobody would care for that type of experience , zero support from the company who would set you up to fail and bust regs just so they could save a penny and be the first one to throw you under the bus when you do .
reserve 24/6 and staying in the worst hotels they could find ?

These days you would have to be out of your f@#$ mind to even consider these airlines.

pilotyip

Nope here is the way it works, busy month, you break guarantee, 45 hrs, around the 15th-18th of the month. Now you sell a day, $650 call out pay, $300 trip pay and 10 hours heavy crew; 10 X's $133.32, equals a $2280 for the day. You do that another 3-4 times that month and you use a $22,500 check the next month. And bingo first year pay is well over $100K. Probably 9 months out of the year you never sell a day and some months fly only one or two trips. Guys who live local like it, and are just waiting for the call up to DAL, FedEx, Atlas, Spirit, K-4, NJ, and JB like the guys who went before them. Great guys, I am truly lucky to able to associate with such fantastic pilots.

No the guy that did it average 12 hard days off per month, he only sold about 13 days all year,

Don't gave it up 40 years ago


I guess some regional guys we hired in the last year didn't get the message, probably because they were stuck at regionals where their seniority is going backwards, like Express Jet, Compass, Mesa, that is where a lot of our guys are coming from $100K and TJ PIC looks really good when you see yourself stuck in the right seat for years.

Thanks, I am glad our paths crossed, and you will do well with the attitude you have displayed. I am going to guess you have a lot of stories of the good ole days at KYIP.

Code Red

You just quoted a unicorn trip that happens once a year not multiple times a month. But of course you love to skew the truth and you quote the one guy at the airline that destroyed his qol for a paycheck. And boom that correlates to 100k first year.

No one local likes the job Randy they're handcuffed to it, theres a difference. You can't get a job else where when you've been fired (Amex scam) your a scab, your pilot file is ten pages deep, you ran off the end of the runway (not once, twice) and the list goes on.

No new blood coming thru the door and soon enough you won't have anyone left to fly the jets.

I will get tremendous satisfaction when you guys fly your last trip.