chip1

This is getting good! Come on ATC, step it up another nutty level!

ATCsaidDoWhat

You shouldn't make foolish assumptions. The current contract is an improvement on the past and a stepping stone to a better one. Since you have no idea what was fought for and gained in the past, you have no idea what can be gained if it's approached the right way.

ATCsaidDoWhat

If you'd been here long enough, you wouldn't have to ask. Am I ever satisfied with a contract? No. I'm also take the time to educate myself before I comment about events and situations I wasn't on the property for, and assume that just because it works somewhere else, it will work here.

CandlerKid

Ha! Assumptions, huh? I came to work here under the old contract.... Time to change your stock of canned replies.

cargowannabe

Awesome reply! Again all I do is ask questions, you professionals make the statements. Btw atc still waiting for ya to answer my question, qualifications please?

KYTBRD

This is just like Bevely Hills Housewives or the Jerry Springer show and i dont even need to record it for later viewing when I get home.

HeavyDriver

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Riverside

Let it go. Asking someone for their qualifications online for your personal amusement is plain stupid.

cargowannabe

Riverside normally I would agree but it's kinda hard to 'let go' when atc pushed the point of how experienced and superior he is to everyone that disagrees with his views. So I say let him post, that is, if he will...............

ATCsaidDoWhat

I don't recall claiming to be superior, just to have been to the rodeo more than a few times and having the scars to remind myself about what works and what doesn't. It leads you to pay close attention to the words of Santayana, "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

That said, given the usual tactics of how many pilots view the approach to negotiations and dealing with management and how they are going to achieve their goals, it's pretty clear that not following the same failed practices of other carriers has worked fairly well here. And there are more than a few here who recall the strife created by certain individuals who insisted on doing things the way it was done elsewhere; actions that delayed the JCBA by several years and had a negative impact on the potential for even better gains.

From the beginning in the 90's, through a failed T/A to a ratified one, a bankruptcy, strike, merger and the JCBA, the pilots never lost on pay or benefits. They beat back AACS, which would have killed every job here and in the process got back profit sharing, stock options and helped unseat a management and reseat a new one with a new Board of Directors.

They cracked a code that you may or may not like. And yes, there are some here who sadly continue to believe that the "mission" is the only thing that matters.

That said, the question that needs to be answered by those with the "this is how we did it at Brand X" and "we want what we want when we want it" is whether or not to consider Santayana's words or to accept that constructive dialog may take a bit longer, but yields better long term outcomes.