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Old 09-05-2014, 05:13 PM   #1  
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This would be a major change in the contract and our system. I think it would be a HUGE improvement.

International Gateway Basing with PBS.

Background:
Some organizations, like Kalitta, have Home Basing.
Some organizations, like NetJets, has Gateways.
Some organizations, like Delta, have Bases.
Atlas Air is THE ONLY organization to have two of the three basing options (Home Basing, Gateways, Bases). It is stupid, and causes undue complexity for both the pilots and the company. From what I understand, the reason we have Gateway AND Bases is something punitive left over from the Cato days. It is a really, really bad system, in my opinion.

Details:
-Gateway Basing means no more pilot bases (JFK, IAH, CVG, etc.)
-If you currently live near MIA, and you don't have a Gateway, then your new Gateway is MIA, and that is your base...basically no changes
-If your current gateway is MCI, then MCI is your base
-If you live near Manilla or Rome, then Manilla/Rome is now your Gateway and your Base

Why is Gateway Basing a good idea?
-No more imputed income
-No more trying to get you to and from a Base far away, your Base is near you
-Your pay starts and ends in your base...which is your Gateway

Why International Gateways?
-This part of Gateway Basing will save the company money, and make it easier for us to get Gateway Basing for all of us, as it will lower the cost of the Gateway Basing system.
-If you are Gateway Based in London, and a trip starts or end near London, it will save the company money by having you do the trip, instead of DH some guy from far away to do the trip near London


I welcome all comments, feedback, suggestions, improvements, etc.

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Old 09-05-2014, 05:16 PM   #2  
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This would be a major change in the contract and our system. I think it would be a HUGE improvement.

Variable Days Off Bid:
Currently, we owe the company 17 days of work. Some guys want to work more and make more money, others want to be home more. Another large aviation organization had this same situation, and went to varying days off, by bid. This This system would have a 6 or 12 month bid. Everyone bids for 15/17/19 days of work during that 6 or 12 month bidding period.

One Option:
1/3 of the crew force has 15 days of work. 1/3 of the crew force has 17 days of work. 1/3 of crew force has 19 days of work.
-This costs the company almost $0, and it makes the crew force happier, as some guys get to stay home more, while other guys get to work more.
-X Day pay would remain the same, in other words, the guy with 15 days of work would get $X for working his 16th day, and the guy with 19 days of work would get the same $X for his 20th day of work.

Second Option:
25% of the crew force has 15 days of work, 50% has 17 days of work, 25% has 19 days of work.

Third Option...this is if we reduced our required work days to 16 days of work:
1/3 of crew force works 14 days, 1/3 works 16 days, 1/3 works 18 days.

There are multiple options on how to distribute the days of work. Ideally, the union would conduct a survey and find out what percentage of pilots wants to work more, and wants to work less, to get a system where everyone gets what they want.


I welcome all comments, feedback, suggestions, improvements, etc.

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Old 09-05-2014, 05:18 PM   #3  
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Some of these ideas came from other Atlas pilots, some came from me (Atlas Line Pilot), while others were thought of by Atlas pilots working together.

I am not going to talk about increased hourly pay rates as everyone wants more money per hour, no matter how much we are paid.

Note: These are my opinions only.

Required in the New Contract, in no particular order:

1. International Gateway Basing with PBS.
- No more bases (JFK, MIA, ANC)
- Your Gateway is your Base. If you live near MIA, MIA is your base. If you live near MCI, MCI is your base. If you live near Dubai, Dubai is your base.

2. Line Guarantee

3. Atlas 401K Direct Contribution...no matching at all...suggest 15%

4. X Days are days off, with no compensation. ANYTHING other than an X day gets you Daily Trip Rig. In other words, R1 days, Training days, Vacation, and normal working days are paid at the same Daily Trip Rig rate.

5. Max Duty Day is 20 hours.
- Duty Days cannot be extended by the company. Duty days may be extended due to unforeseen circumstances, like an in-flight delay, an ATC delay, etc. If there is a major problem, like the only runway in Bagram closes for 2 hours, then the Crew and the Company may jointly decided the extended Duty Day is the best choice in the situation.
- If, by unforeseen circumstances, a Duty Day is extended past 20 hours, for any reason, then Duty hours 20-22 are paid at Double the Hourly Flight Pay Rate Above Guarantee. Duty hours 23-25 are paid at Triple the Hourly Flight Pay Rate, Above Guarantee. Duty hours over 25 hours are paid at FIVE TIMES the Hourly Flight Pay Rate, Above Guarantee.
-This should cut down on the company's making the flight crews do 20+ duty days and giving them $50 credit to eat a meal. This is crap.

6. Profit Sharing. No restrictions/exemptions/exclusions

7. Preferential Bidding System with 30/60 day lines

8. Fixed Perdiem of at least $90/hour.

9. Two Payscales, one for Captains, and one for F0s (no different payscales for different planes).

10. No Training Pay. All pilots Day One on first year pay.
-For those who may not have thought of this...for Atlas to function well in the future, we need new hire pilots, and the current Training Pay system is terrible.

11. Variable Days Off Bid:
- There would be a 6 or 12 month bid period where you bid for how many days of work you want. You would be for less, equal, or more days of work than we have now.
- With the current system of 17 days of work required, an example of the Variable Days Off System would be 1/3 of the pilots works 15 days, 1/3 works 17 days, and 1/3 works 19 days. X Days pay would be the same for everyone as far as 1st X day, 2nd X day, etc.

12. Monthly Guarantee increased to at least 72 hours/month.

13. All days off guaranteed if requested.
- In other words, vacation and training days would not reduce the number of days off you received in that month
- Easy to do with a checkbox on the bid schedule:
- One would be for Vacation Days. If you check the box you require ALL your Vacation Days be duty free, AND ALL your normal Days Off be duty free.
- One would be for Training Days. If you check the box, you require ALL your Training Days to be assigned during your Normal Work Days.

14. Deadhead pay changes.
- If you Deadhead on a Commercial Airline in Business Class or better, you are paid 0.5 hours of pay for each hour of Deadhead Duty Hours.
- If you Deadhead on an Atlas Air controlled aircraft (non-Airline ticket), or you Deadhead on a Commercial Airline in Coach Class, then you are paid 1:1 for each hour of Deadhead Duty Hours.

Desired in the New Contract, in no particular order:

1. Pilots get paid the higher of these four guarantees
Note: This system is typical for most airlines.

First: Monthly Guarantee Credit
- No changes (except for a higher monthly guarantee)

Second: Bid Line Award Credit earned for the month
- You would receive a credit of the higher of the Actual Bid Line Credit, or the Planned Bid Line Credit. You would not lose pay if your Actual Line Credit was reduced below Planned.

Third: Daily Trip Rig Total Credit earned for the month
- No changes

Fourth: Pattern Rig Total Credit earned for the month.
- Each Pattern (trip) has a certain amount of credit that is planned. You would receive a credit of the higher of the Actual Pattern Credit, or the Planned Pattern Credit. You would not lose pay if your Actual Pattern Credit was reduced below Planned.
- If you only had ONE Pattern scheduled for the month, then your Line Award Credit would be the same as your Pattern Credit for that month. However, if you had, for example, TWO patterns scheduled for the month, then your Line Credit could be less than your Pattern Credit for that month.

At the end of the month, you would receive the higher of: Your Monthly Guarantee, your Line Bid Credit, your Daily Trip Rig Monthly Credit, or your Pattern Rig Monthly Credit.

2. Vacation Increase:
-Years 2-4: Two Weeks
-Years 5-9: Three Weeks
-Years 10-15: Four Weeks
-Years 11-14: Five weeks
-Years 15+: Six weeks


I would like to start a dialog, so that the crew force can start communicating what we want in the New Contract, and get these ideas of what is most important to us visible to the Union, so that the Union knows what the Crew Force considers a “Major Improvement” in the New Contract.

I welcome all comments, feedback, suggestions, improvements, etc.

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8. Fixed Perdiem of at least $90/hour.
At least $2,160 per day in per diem? You're my new choice for ExCo chairman!
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just what we need - another Atlas thread - competing with FEDEX to see how many threads dealing with the same thing ? contract issues / ideas might be better off on the union site - just a thought - let the bashing begin
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At least $2,160 per day in per diem? You're my new choice for ExCo chairman!
I second this motion!!

A lot of great ideas posted here! I look forward to reading the discussions on this!
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The way you explained international gateway basing sounds exactly like "Home basing" that I had at my last company, perhaps I missed something, could you elaborate on the difference between home basing and this?
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Home basing: wherever u live is your base

Gateway Basing: if u live in the boonies, you have a gateway that u fly out of instead of flying from your home airport. My idea is use the existing gateways as bases...can use same rules...your gateway has to be within 130 miles or they make a new gateway.

Basically, what we would do is drop the Pilot Bases, and add Gateways overseas....Toronto, Rome, Dubai, Manila, Bangkok, Kiev, London would all be gateways.
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$90/hour perdiem includes: stretch limos to and from Meals, massages in your room morning and night, Champaign and cavier with turn down service, personal tour guide 24/7, luggage pickup drop off to/from your room, etc.

Thanx for catching that error...
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Home basing: wherever u live is your base

Gateway Basing: if u live in the boonies, you have a gateway that u fly out of instead of flying from your home airport. My idea is use the existing gateways as bases...can use same rules...your gateway has to be within 130 miles or they make a new gateway.

Basically, what we would do is drop the Pilot Bases, and add Gateways overseas....Toronto, Rome, Dubai, Manila, Bangkok, Kiev, London would all be gateways.
Oh ok sounds good, just didn't understand that difference. Makes good sense.
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