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Rmk1991 08-20-2020 05:18 PM


Originally Posted by FlyPurdue (Post 3112818)
National had an advertisement on LinkedIn back on 11AUG that they were hiring for a number of positions including 747FO. When you clicked to apply, the link sent you to 'JSFirm' for the actual application. It seems the hiring window is now closed.

In the past 2 weeks, they have brought 2 ex-Cathay 747s out of the desert - brining their active fleet to 4 747s, 1 757 and 1 A330.

Thats a fast window. I was looking on the 4th and 5th of this month and there was nothing. I sent in my stuff to HR over there with an internal and crickets.

pangolin 08-20-2020 05:28 PM


Originally Posted by Rmk1991 (Post 3113174)
Thats a fast window. I was looking on the 4th and 5th of this month and there was nothing. I sent in my stuff to HR over there with an internal and crickets.

I know someone hired there so it does happen.

Cujo665 08-26-2020 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by Rmk1991 (Post 3113174)
Thats a fast window. I was looking on the 4th and 5th of this month and there was nothing. I sent in my stuff to HR over there with an internal and crickets.

Omni's hiring window opened for 4 hours last week. 1,200 applications flooded in.

Varsity 10-06-2020 02:05 AM


Originally Posted by 4runner (Post 2892501)
Iíve said this before and I say it again, AMC and the DOD donít want Airbus in their civilian fleets. Thatís from folks that speak directly to them.

This proved to be false.

National is flying their A330 almost exclusively for the DOD.

4runner 10-06-2020 03:49 PM


Originally Posted by Varsity (Post 3140920)
This proved to be false.

National is flying their A330 almost exclusively for the DOD.


We tried to do this and were told no.

Whalehunter 10-07-2020 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by Varsity (Post 3140920)
This proved to be false.

National is flying their A330 almost exclusively for the DOD.

Are you sure? Looks like it just sits in MCO all the time.

4runner 10-08-2020 12:57 PM

Iíve been told that the DOD wonít permit their primary carrier to have a foreign aircraft. Iíve seen Delta 330ís in KWI and a few other spots. 330ís were cheap a few years ago and 767ís were hard to find and expensive. A certain ACMI operator proposed 330ís to replace their 767ís and were rejected. This carrier is a primary DOD airlifter.

filejw 10-08-2020 04:02 PM


Originally Posted by 4runner (Post 3142282)
Iíve been told that the DOD wonít permit their primary carrier to have a foreign aircraft. Iíve seen Delta 330ís in KWI and a few other spots. 330ís were cheap a few years ago and 767ís were hard to find and expensive. A certain ACMI operator proposed 330ís to replace their 767ís and were rejected. This carrier is a primary DOD airlifter.

DAL has used A330's for years and recently a few A350 trips..

anothermember 10-09-2020 06:50 AM

10 years ago I was flying DoD trips on the A320 (only type we had) so whoever told you might not know. In this business, really?:D


Originally Posted by 4runner (Post 3142282)
Iíve been told that the DOD wonít permit their primary carrier to have a foreign aircraft. Iíve seen Delta 330ís in KWI and a few other spots. 330ís were cheap a few years ago and 767ís were hard to find and expensive. A certain ACMI operator proposed 330ís to replace their 767ís and were rejected. This carrier is a primary DOD airlifter.


wjcandee 10-10-2020 07:42 PM


Originally Posted by Whalehunter (Post 3141667)
Are you sure? Looks like it just sits in MCO all the time.

Well, it's based in MCO, so...

September was its first full month of operation. It did 21 legs, a combination of domestic and international. In comparison, the average Omni 767 makes say 30-35 legs per month, same combination of domestic and international. But the work comes in spurts, so it's hard to get apples-to-apples. The A330 is on track to do closer to 30 legs this month, but the mil passenger work in this quarter is likely to be a little lighter compared to prior years. Still, for the first couple of months in service, the utilization isn't bad for the space it is in, and will likely increase to be on par with Omni. But the economics of these operations means that you can't have a brand-new airplane banging you for a big lease payment every month, or you'll be out of business in a year. You need a capital cost that allows the aircraft to sit around from time to time without putting you into Chapter 11, but you need an aircraft that the AMC customer thinks looks nice inside and out, and is well-maintained so that when the heavy periods hit, you can perform reliably. It seems like this aircraft fits the bill.

National does get a positively-insane amount of use from its 757 passenger aircraft, for a military charter aircraft, at least. It did 54 legs both domestic and international in September. In the air virtually every day. (Of course, some of the international trips require stops where an A330 wouldn't, but, still. That 29-year-old ex-AA airplane is a cash cow, and they manage to keep it running reliably.)

And you probably know this, but National pulled 3 Pratt-powered cargo 747-400s from the desert and sent them to SAT to bring back into service. One of National's two GE-powered 747s recently went through a heavy check in TPE, and when it came out, the other went in. They have both seen heavy service this year.

One of the 3 that were being readied for service at SAT just started into revenue service today, so they currently have two flyable 747-400s. By the end of November, the one in TPE should be back in service, and the two in SAT should be as well. So by Thanksgiving or so, National should have 5 747-400s in the air, up from 2.

MysteriousMrX 10-11-2020 08:15 AM

Is the pay scale on Apc accurate?? It seems awfully low- are there any bonuses or whatever that nudges it up a bit??

Lucifer 10-11-2020 12:48 PM


Originally Posted by MysteriousMrX (Post 3143657)
Is the pay scale on Apc accurate?? It seems awfully low- are there any bonuses or whatever that nudges it up a bit??

With all the furloughed looking for lifeboats, nobody will be raising the bar for a while.

TransWorld 10-11-2020 08:14 PM

Agreed. The only thing going up is number of hours needed to get an offer letter in hand.

Of course, there may be some games played, like the LCCs who looked at a pilot who would be a prime candidate to jump to the big 6 as soon as they build a little more time.

bigmacdaddy 10-16-2020 11:00 AM

Without digging too deep into the forum archives, and simply looking at the pay periods/scale. Can someone who is or was at National give a basic idea of what monthly pay actually comes out to be? I'm looking at the 25 hour minimum every two weeks at $85/hour. Thank you!

LoopingLouie 10-19-2020 12:19 PM

Hi,
Anyone here who had recently an interview and heard back from National?

crwgpn 11-02-2020 07:03 PM

National
 

Originally Posted by LoopingLouie (Post 3147222)
Hi,
Anyone here who had recently an interview and heard back from National?

YEP. I have.
PM me if you like.

Kapitanleutnant 12-30-2020 09:56 PM

These guys are about to start hiring DECís for the 744. 2nd class in about 2 months. Buddy of mine in first class about 6-7 weeks ago. Nice... new hire into the left seat of the 744!

K

123494 12-31-2020 08:05 AM


Originally Posted by Kapitanleutnant (Post 3176360)
These guys are about to start hiring DECís for the 744. 2nd class in about 2 months. Buddy of mine in first class about 6-7 weeks ago. Nice... new hire into the left seat of the 744!

K

What are the requirements to get the DEC slot?

MysteriousMrX 12-31-2020 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by Kapitanleutnant (Post 3176360)
These guys are about to start hiring DECís for the 744. 2nd class in about 2 months. Buddy of mine in first class about 6-7 weeks ago. Nice... new hire into the left seat of the 744!

K

what was your buddyís stats?? Congrats to him.

anothermember 01-02-2021 07:07 AM


Originally Posted by 123494 (Post 3176470)
What are the requirements to get the DEC slot?

Strong internal recommendations, preferably more than one.

Kapitanleutnant 01-02-2021 01:49 PM

My buddy was VERY qualified. He said most of the guys in his class were overseas types with extensive left seat time in heavies as he had.

K

Cujo665 01-02-2021 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by Kapitanleutnant (Post 3177285)
My buddy was VERY qualified. He said most of the guys in his class were overseas types with extensive left seat time in heavies as he had.

K

Are those pay rates on APC correct?

anothermember 01-03-2021 11:03 AM

Is there ever a direct correlation between ACMI posted rates and take-home pay? You should know that being at Omni.


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3177352)
Are those pay rates on APC correct?


CardboardCutout 01-04-2021 04:30 AM


Originally Posted by anothermember (Post 3177534)
You should know that being at Omni.

There's a pretty strong correlation at Omni, for the most part. It seems that this is not the case at National, but I haven't seen any precise information as to why. How much soft money is there? What are the contractual details?

Cujo665 01-04-2021 11:54 AM


Originally Posted by anothermember (Post 3177534)
Is there ever a direct correlation between ACMI posted rates and take-home pay? You should know that being at Omni.

Pretty sure I asked if the rates were accurate, not if you guys routinely average well over guarantee.
So, are they accurate?
What is the average monthly block hours?
What kind of soft money can the average guy expect?

wjcandee 01-28-2021 09:57 PM

So what's up with the very-lengthy stops in ANC that National has been making the past month or so? 10 hours, 12 hours, more. Regularly. In both directions. Seems like an extra 12 hours on the journey isn't something customers would prefer...

It doesn't seem like maintenance, and National didn't do this through the height of the PPE Lift, so I'm just curious. Crew availability due to the 3 additional 747-400s? If so, it bodes well for them ramping-up hiring!

bigmacdaddy 01-31-2021 03:30 PM

What were the common application methods for this opening last fall? I used JS firm, but never heard anything back, now feeling like I messed up!

mrwizard0 01-31-2021 04:02 PM


Originally Posted by bigmacdaddy (Post 3188997)
What were the common application methods for this opening last fall? I used JS firm, but never heard anything back, now feeling like I messed up!

same for me

Eseloco954 02-28-2021 10:47 AM

Can anybody who flys for National shoot me a PM?
interview coming up and had some questions regarding schedules, pay, ect. TIA

Airbusgod 03-03-2021 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by Eseloco954 (Post 3200627)
Can anybody who flys for National shoot me a PM?
interview coming up and had some questions regarding schedules, pay, ect. TIA

When is your interview. Iíve been trying for a year and no luck.

Franckie 07-01-2021 03:33 AM

roster patterns
 
Hi, I have an interview coming up soon and would like to know what work patterns youíre doing (time on time off), this is for the 744.

niteav8tor 07-04-2021 12:18 PM

All schedules are 18 on/ 12 off. Expect to be extend most of the time..

Whalehunter 07-05-2021 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by niteav8tor (Post 3259145)
All schedules are 18 on/ 12 off. Expect to be extend most of the time..

That's a big no thank you.

Hawkerdriver1 07-05-2021 09:10 PM


Originally Posted by Whalehunter (Post 3259556)
That's a big no thank you.


While at the school house I heard that everyone is filling their monthly flight time limits pretty quick. Captains are pulling around 200K. Foís around 100K.


HD

CardboardCutout 07-06-2021 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by Hawkerdriver1 (Post 3259682)
While at the school house I heard that everyone is filling their monthly flight time limits pretty quick. Captains are pulling around 200K. Foís around 100K.


HD

Wait did I read this correctly? 100k for 18+ days/month AND timing out???

FlyyGuyy 07-07-2021 06:47 AM


Originally Posted by CardboardCutout (Post 3259871)
Wait did I read this correctly? 100k for 18+ days/month AND timing out???

Jesus that's an atrocity

CardboardCutout 07-07-2021 07:01 PM


Originally Posted by FlyyGuyy (Post 3260203)
Jesus that's an atrocity

Possibly a war crime. We should consult the Geneva Convention.

Riverside 07-08-2021 04:10 PM


Originally Posted by Hawkerdriver1 (Post 3259682)
While at the school house I heard that everyone is filling their monthly flight time limits pretty quick. Captains are pulling around 200K. Foís around 100K.


HD

That's painful to read.

captjns 07-09-2021 04:39 AM

Hourly rates and QOL are better with Fractionals/135 operators. After all… there are those who don’t mind the commute, half way round the world in a middle seat way back of the jet? How many times do F/O’s get that wonderful ACARS message saying, you have to give your landing to the other guy because of currency requirements.

HeavyDriver 07-09-2021 02:19 PM


Originally Posted by captjns (Post 3261064)
How many times do F/Oís get that wonderful ACARS message saying, you have to give your landing to the other guy because of currency requirements.

ACARS? Now thatís funny


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