Thats a fast window. I was looking on the 4th and 5th of this month and there was nothing. I sent in my stuff to HR over there with an internal and crickets.

I know someone hired there so it does happen.

Omni's hiring window opened for 4 hours last week. 1,200 applications flooded in.

This proved to be false.

National is flying their A330 almost exclusively for the DOD.

We tried to do this and were told no.

Are you sure? Looks like it just sits in MCO all the time.

I’ve been told that the DOD won’t permit their primary carrier to have a foreign aircraft. I’ve seen Delta 330’s in KWI and a few other spots. 330’s were cheap a few years ago and 767’s were hard to find and expensive. A certain ACMI operator proposed 330’s to replace their 767’s and were rejected. This carrier is a primary DOD airlifter.

DAL has used A330's for years and recently a few A350 trips..

10 years ago I was flying DoD trips on the A320 (only type we had) so whoever told you might not know. In this business, really?:D

Well, it's based in MCO, so...

September was its first full month of operation. It did 21 legs, a combination of domestic and international. In comparison, the average Omni 767 makes say 30-35 legs per month, same combination of domestic and international. But the work comes in spurts, so it's hard to get apples-to-apples. The A330 is on track to do closer to 30 legs this month, but the mil passenger work in this quarter is likely to be a little lighter compared to prior years. Still, for the first couple of months in service, the utilization isn't bad for the space it is in, and will likely increase to be on par with Omni. But the economics of these operations means that you can't have a brand-new airplane banging you for a big lease payment every month, or you'll be out of business in a year. You need a capital cost that allows the aircraft to sit around from time to time without putting you into Chapter 11, but you need an aircraft that the AMC customer thinks looks nice inside and out, and is well-maintained so that when the heavy periods hit, you can perform reliably. It seems like this aircraft fits the bill.

National does get a positively-insane amount of use from its 757 passenger aircraft, for a military charter aircraft, at least. It did 54 legs both domestic and international in September. In the air virtually every day. (Of course, some of the international trips require stops where an A330 wouldn't, but, still. That 29-year-old ex-AA airplane is a cash cow, and they manage to keep it running reliably.)

And you probably know this, but National pulled 3 Pratt-powered cargo 747-400s from the desert and sent them to SAT to bring back into service. One of National's two GE-powered 747s recently went through a heavy check in TPE, and when it came out, the other went in. They have both seen heavy service this year.

One of the 3 that were being readied for service at SAT just started into revenue service today, so they currently have two flyable 747-400s. By the end of November, the one in TPE should be back in service, and the two in SAT should be as well. So by Thanksgiving or so, National should have 5 747-400s in the air, up from 2.

Is the pay scale on Apc accurate?? It seems awfully low- are there any bonuses or whatever that nudges it up a bit??

With all the furloughed looking for lifeboats, nobody will be raising the bar for a while.

Agreed. The only thing going up is number of hours needed to get an offer letter in hand.

Of course, there may be some games played, like the LCCs who looked at a pilot who would be a prime candidate to jump to the big 6 as soon as they build a little more time.

Without digging too deep into the forum archives, and simply looking at the pay periods/scale. Can someone who is or was at National give a basic idea of what monthly pay actually comes out to be? I'm looking at the 25 hour minimum every two weeks at $85/hour. Thank you!

Hi,
Anyone here who had recently an interview and heard back from National?

National
 

YEP. I have.
PM me if you like.

These guys are about to start hiring DEC’s for the 744. 2nd class in about 2 months. Buddy of mine in first class about 6-7 weeks ago. Nice... new hire into the left seat of the 744!

K

What are the requirements to get the DEC slot?

what was your buddy’s stats?? Congrats to him.

Strong internal recommendations, preferably more than one.

My buddy was VERY qualified. He said most of the guys in his class were overseas types with extensive left seat time in heavies as he had.

K

Are those pay rates on APC correct?

Is there ever a direct correlation between ACMI posted rates and take-home pay? You should know that being at Omni.

There's a pretty strong correlation at Omni, for the most part. It seems that this is not the case at National, but I haven't seen any precise information as to why. How much soft money is there? What are the contractual details?

Pretty sure I asked if the rates were accurate, not if you guys routinely average well over guarantee.
So, are they accurate?
What is the average monthly block hours?
What kind of soft money can the average guy expect?

So what's up with the very-lengthy stops in ANC that National has been making the past month or so? 10 hours, 12 hours, more. Regularly. In both directions. Seems like an extra 12 hours on the journey isn't something customers would prefer...

It doesn't seem like maintenance, and National didn't do this through the height of the PPE Lift, so I'm just curious. Crew availability due to the 3 additional 747-400s? If so, it bodes well for them ramping-up hiring!

What were the common application methods for this opening last fall? I used JS firm, but never heard anything back, now feeling like I messed up!

same for me

Can anybody who flys for National shoot me a PM?
interview coming up and had some questions regarding schedules, pay, ect. TIA

When is your interview. I’ve been trying for a year and no luck.

roster patterns
 

Hi, I have an interview coming up soon and would like to know what work patterns you’re doing (time on time off), this is for the 744.

All schedules are 18 on/ 12 off. Expect to be extend most of the time..

That's a big no thank you.

While at the school house I heard that everyone is filling their monthly flight time limits pretty quick. Captains are pulling around 200K. Fo’s around 100K.


HD

Wait did I read this correctly? 100k for 18+ days/month AND timing out???

Jesus that's an atrocity

Possibly a war crime. We should consult the Geneva Convention.

That's painful to read.

Hourly rates and QOL are better with Fractionals/135 operators. After all… there are those who don’t mind the commute, half way round the world in a middle seat way back of the jet? How many times do F/O’s get that wonderful ACARS message saying, you have to give your landing to the other guy because of currency requirements.

ACARS? Now that’s funny