81pilot

I actually value money, stability and time off, and for ME, and again, this applies to me only, Swift is a better fit.

Anyway, the guys that went off the runway, the FO was terminated after the accident. I believe he's at a regional now. The Captain was not offered a job at Swift as far as I know.

Braniff DC8

Two captains and Two Fo's have now quit in training in the last three months

I think the Eastern guys have been through enough and I will hate seeing them go through more nonsense.

I would not recommend the airline to anyone.

Please see below. This is an indication of the people you'd be working for.

https://votesmart.org/public-stateme...r#.Wb122fR8NUw

https://www.saipantribune.com/index....ed-2-aircraft/

Direct Air?s owners had history of financial troubles, failures | Myrtle Beach Sun News

https://www.saipantribune.com/index....s-press-ahead/

mexipilot84

You sound like you're new to airline CEOs. I've yet to hear of one with clean hands. It's a dirty industry. Greg tilton, Allen at Delta, pinnacle etc.

One Ca quit from July class. I believe FO you're talking about washed out and was struggling through training.

Don't like your job quit, easy enough. But if you're going to be here take your negative attitude somewhere else. Don't spoil it for the Eastern guys that have to make adjustment to their lives due to the demise of their company. Let them be the judge of their own experience, if it doesn't work for them then hope they find something better. And wish then the best. You haven't been here long enough to be the judge of anything.

What are you the head of the of the department of wannabe eastern pilot spectators? Like what we called a barracks lawyer in the military.

MNPS 50N50W

Man you are certainly high on the Swift Juice....

This kind of behavior is BAD for the industry as a whole. An industry WE all love. It really pains me to hear fellow Pilots DEFEND this kind of behavior.

Thanks Braniff, for posting the links. Perhaps the people coming from EAL will have more information on what they're looking forward to.

By the way.... who's ad is it on climbto350 for 737 F/O's

mexipilot84

There's swift juice? Does it come in hibiscus or just bubblegum?

I work here and it's my livelihood to provide for myself and family, the same goes for most of us here. Making the best of what is given to us keeps the positive outlook of progress. Will it ever be a Delta or United? Doubt it. But despite what y'all negatively tag, they have gone out of their way to take care of our people affected by the hurricane. We have Florida crews that returned to messes and the company has helped them with accommodations. That in all is a huge hit on revenue, but they took care of our people. Which includes some of y'all here.

It's not about drinking kool-aid as you seem to suggest. Like many this is an intermediate point for a job a major or corporate. If I sit here and become negative about everything that comes down the pipe this will become a miserable place. This place pays my mortgage and puts food in my kids mouths. I have never missed a paycheck. Just like life in the military embrace the suck, but I am paid to complete a mission and I will do it to the best of my ability and within the realm of FARs and reality.

Some of the eastern pilots coming are ex-swift employees. They know how things work around here. They accepted a job here knowing the situation and task at hand. Nobody held a gun to their head, they could have not offered anything and let them pound sand. Hell they could have told them all they were only offering FO spots, instead a bunch got CA positions which is a punch in he gut to our senior FOs waiting.

Defend what behavior, no one has obligated me to break an FAR or do something outside of the rules. A lot of us from big airlines are trying hard to make the changes this place needs. Do they have high hopes and dreams, yes. Will it all fall on schedule as they tell us, most likely not. Least I know they're turning business down left and right. That for the least allows some job security till the "golden ticket" shows up.

Lighten up Francis!

Braniff DC8

Mexi, I don't want to pick a fight as these boards are for information, good and bad. Now, were you not posting on the PenAir forum describing how you were glad you are no longer there? Maybe not you?

Now, two capts have quit, an FO quit and and FO did not come last minute.The rumors are that the airline is taking work they cannot do or undercutting everyone else. They are selling the aircraft cheaper then they cost to operate. I have also heard that they are starting to annoy their customers with false claims. It might be a silly story if it wasn't for the history of the management team. Sadly, Eastern was the same. It did not last long did it. I do not think the eastern people want to go through it all over again. Why did they quit the airline in the first place if it's so great?

If you like it there, great! I do not begrudge you but it is not for people who want stability and do not want to constantly make the rounds at another 36th street mob organization. Sorry, that's exactly what it is. The resignations are not the only in the last year either. There will be more. Watch this space.

I am torn as I don't want people to believe me and find out for themselves.
However, I would also rather warn people not to waste there time. These places just aren't worth it. You really get nothing from it but heartache and heartburn.

Look at the regionals bonuses now! Plus pass travel, jumpseat, better bidding etc etc etc...

All the best to everyone but stay away from another bad airline. Why do it to yourself? Act like a monkey you'll get treated like a monkey!

I'll say nothing more.

mexipilot84

Penair? Never been there. Well some of the ones that left to eastern were trouble and many of us were glad they were gone. Unfortunately not the case now since some specific ones are coming back. I feel bad for one particular one who thought she left to better waters on a "new" venture and now she's returning.

As far the flying they're doing, eastern was undercutting a lot of work. Thus why we lost some contracts that we normally held. Then it turned out eastern couldn't do it anyway. Xtra got it. We have it back next year though. We have new teams and more work so hopefully it sustains as they say.

PilotnotPirate

From what I understand a couple of guys have washed out in training, I don't think any line pilots have quit since May/June and those guys went to Spirit, American etc. If people were quitting to go to Xtra, Miami Air etc I believe alarm bells would be sounding in GSO/PHX.

I'm not sure where Braniff is getting his information about Swift selling the aircraft cheaper than they cost to operate but that is NOT happening. Swift owns the majority of the 300 and 400s and can therefore undercut other airlines, that was the business plan! There is business for the 800s the customers stipulated that equipment and Swift is acquiring 800s to cater to those customers. If they can't make money they won't take the business, period!

Swift Air has a stable ownership who I'm sure can Google names as any potential employee can so yes, if you Google certain names you will find certain things but since coming out of bankruptcy five years ago the only thing that has happened is that the company has grown according to the business plan, bear in mind they were down to one plane!

As for Braniff's assertion that Swift is just another 36th street mob, that is ridiculous, only part of the business is out of Miami, the company isn't based in Florida and from what I understand none of the usual 36th St losers were even considered for employment.

As I've said before, the regionals might be a better option for certain people and I do think that management need to realize that they are "fishing from the same pond" as the regionals but Swift is hiring. Time will tell if they can fill all the positions but so far they seem to be holding their own and of course this is not just a Swift problem.

Again, Swift is not perfect, it's not Southwest and never will be but it can be a good stepping stone, things are slowly improving, occasionally it can be two steps forward and one step back but if you get hired and are expecting American Airlines you will be disappointed.

Braniff DC8

Are in fact ringing. Two Capts and One FO in the last two classes plus one that did not show.

MNPS 50N50W

Frank Lorenzo,

Carl Ican,

Horse by another name, same results. These people should all be banned from the industry Permanently!

Those links posted by Braniff are very telling....