Davetastic

What do you want me to stop zero? Posting my opinion? Posting a rebuttal? I am not the one attacking a union dues paying member!

"Atlas facts website"? Didn't the union put that together? Try this court filing:

https://www.courtlistener.com/opinio...nell-deceased/

Back in 2011 when O'donnell passed away, I don't think that Atlas' net worth was north of $4B. Besides, trying to recover employer made contributions to a 401k as an offset for life insurance benefits it paid under the CBA is the normal course of business. The only reason is it coming up again is to perpetuate the union narrative. So who is muddying the waters hmmmm?

I have nothing personal against 8 or you zero nor am I bitter. I am just pointing out that the O'Donnell case has no bearing on negotiations yet the argument that Atlas is "toxic" because of this case and others precipitated by the the union serves no purpose except to further the ineffective move to drive attrition. Even if this company had the "best" working relationship with it's pilots they would still be bound by our CBA. In other words, they couldn't give us more money if they wanted to right? Didn't they just try to give us more money recently?

DC8DRIVER

I am persistent because of your constant defense of the company, your constant attacks of the union, and the resulting damage these positions are doing to our efforts to secure a new contract.

You say that it’s not the company that produces the toxic environment but it’s the pilots who do. This is not the case for anyone other than a company yes man. The company has sued the pilot group. That is toxic. The company refuses to negotiate in good faith. That is toxic. The company can not maintain a well educated scheduling department resulting in daily scheduling errors. That is toxic. The company takes a widow to court to prevent her from collecting her deceased husband’s legally earned benefits. That is toxic.

Yet you defend these things. You say it is the union that is to blame for the delay in negotiations. You say that because you have not been the victim of scheduling errors, there must not be any. You say that the company is justified in denying the widow’s benefits because of “loss mitigation”. We maintain that the company’s first obligation should be to their employees, not their shareholders. Successful large corporations treat their employees well and that results in the best performance for the shareholders, not the other way around.

Instead of running for union office or trying to make positive contributions from within the union, you criticize the union publicly. This does not create unity, it creates discord within the union. That is a bad thing that you apparently do not care about. You claim that nothing that you can say or do will affect negotiations. Saying these negative things about the union directly affects negotiations, but either you do not know this or you don’t care.

There are many things that a pilot can do that will affect negotiations: Not criticizing the union in public is one. Walking a picket line is another. Privately offering constructive criticism is another. Running for union office is another. Running a committee is another. Supporting the union’s agenda is another.

Now, I don’t pretend to know what your motivations are, but whatever they are, they do not seem to be supportive of the union’s direction or decisions. Whether it is because you can not get hired elsewhere because of some skeleton in your closet or your desire to ascend the corporate ladder into some sort of management position or both, your claim that you support the union simply is not the case. This is very clear from your posts.

Now, obviously you are free to post your opinions here, but don’t continue to say that you support the union because your actions indicate otherwise.

This constant and inappropriate denigration of the union and their agenda and your support of Atlas management erodes our contractual efforts. THAT is why I will continue to set the record straight for others to see.

DC8DRIVER

That link says the very same thing that the synopsis does, just in much longer legalese ...

Now who is muddying the waters?

Davetastic

You are making it personal and it is not nor will it ever be personal. I have always taken a devil's advocate position. I am not pro company and I have no desire to be in management. You have incorrectly inferred that because of my opinion of the pace and politics of the negotiations that I am a company stooge but nothing can be further from the truth. I fly the CBA and if I am told to do something by scheduling that is against the CBA, I politely decline.

If I didn't support the union, I wouldn't volunteer. So please, stop trying to force me into your "this guy is a union hater" bucket.

Since you have attacked my reputation, I will let you know that I have no skeletons and I am quite qualified to take a position at any airline I want but I chose Atlas.

This public forum and anything I or anyone else says here will in no way damage our effort for an amended contract. I am not doing anything that will hinder our effort to gain an advantage either...it is merely your opinion that you believe that "publicly" questioning union politics will do so. Don't you think it is hypocritical to tell a union dues paying member to "not be publicly critical" yet that is EXACTLY what the union is doing to Atlas? I am not saying it's right or wrong....just saying it is hypocritical.

If it is my right and entitlement as a dues paying member to disagree with my unions politics, then gosh darnet, I'll do just that! I don't think Atlas is toxic, I think that the "toxic" narrative is a failed union strategy to further an ineffective campaign to drive attrition.

I think that anyone and everyone should question, whether they agree or disagree, any organization that takes ones money. The last time I checked, the union works for me because they take my money, twice, every paycheck! So thank you very much, I will question the union any time I want.

Davetastic

last!! hahahahaha


(I think you just like to disagree with EVERYTHING....even if its the same thing).

JackStraw

Face it, Dave, you’re too old at this point to go anywhere else anyway. So it doesn’t really matter what skeletons are in there....

If you don’t like the direction the union is driving us why don’t you run as a rep like you did at XJT? You seem to have a lot of good solutions.

Davetastic

Sarcasm? I hope not, I have thin skin......Hahahahaha.

But if you really believe that I'd make a good rep. Thanks. However, my family would sacrifice at this point if I were to run. At the same time, as a rep, I'd not be able to give 100% right now so best not to run.

As an aside, you seem to know me Straw but it is not nice to out people....that is just a dick move.

JackStraw

Sarcasm, yes, to the second paragraph. Not to the first.

Davetastic

I Figured. I stand by my statement though and that is the reason I don't run. At first glance, you didn't look like such a jerk....but now you do! Nice work.

Look, I have said it before and I'll say it again, I agree with the union message, just not the politics. You don't like that I don't like the politics of it all. That is just weird.

Davetastic

16 years left is too old? I am not staying because of age, I am staying by choice as I have said earlier...until my predetermined point of diminishing returns. Are you here by choice? I just don't agree with the concept of whining and crying about "everywhere is better than here but I'm staying because no one is calling me", from one side of the mouth and from the other it's, "Allegiant is hiring", as a successful campaign.

Can't you see how distasteful the politics of it all is? That is how I view it......ALL POLITICS.