Hetman

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JonnyKnoxville

No thanks, I think we will worry about our local union and not worry about those pilot groups that are not in our local. You are at the point in negotiations that separates the good contracts from the bad ones. Fold now and continue as a bottom-feeder. Stand strong and move your contract and reputation into a respectable position.

We are all trying to cheer you on. It is obvious from an outsider's prospective that you are beaten down.

You all have an amazing opportunity here to hit the ball out of the park. Don't just say it was good enough to stand at the plate holding the bat while the MLB pitcher threw the ball your way. Take a swing for God sake...go for it!

I can't figure out your angle here, are you scared or close to retirement?

aviatorhi

I'm not even entirely sure what it is you're complaining about, the currently discussed offer is a paragraph or two away from being a solid agreement that would be perfectly respectable and acceptable to the just about anyone here now, or who is interested in ACMI flying, and could then proceed to being finalized as a TA. If you want to complain about something identify it and provide insight into how it could be improved rather than tell us to say no and ask for more. Odds say you aren't even familiar with what was offered.

stickwiggler

Seriously, are you only capable of speaking in cliche and union bumper stickers?

You use words to suggest we are "folding" or if we fail to follow the wise advice of Johnny, we can't redeem our "reputation".

Or my fav;
"We're with you".

Really? Do you think that poorly written pep talk is masking your intent?

You are basing the failure or success of our contract on how it can help you better the contract at your company; that's not "being with us" that's using us.

Our pilots are losing anywhere from $6,000 to $9,000 a month to fight for a 16 day schedule (because that is what Atlas is fighting for) even though on the pilot survey we did, didn't even list that in the top 12 items on our wishlist!

Silly baseball analogies aside, you ask the question "are you afraid or about to retire?"

That comment/question reflect your youth, arrogance and lack of experience.

No, I'm not about to retire.
I have 13 years left; which means i have almost 30 years of experience.
Fear? If recognizing the cost/benefit analysis of throwing away $30k-$50k all so that people who don't even work for my company can have more days off, then fine... call it scared if that makes you feel more brave.

If my life experience as a business owner gives me an appreciation for the challenges of a massive overhaul in the business model, than fine... insinuate that I'm ROAD (Retired on Active Duty) or somehow caving.

If not coming across as a selfish, greedy child who feels compelled to reach into my employers pocket and grab as much as i can, regardless of the consequences... than fine, hurl all the accusations you like.

I'll just consider the source.

JohnBurke

Yet you air your dirty laundry here in the open and demand no comment. You beat your chest, call out to the observing masses "look at me!" and "hear me!" and have the audacity to shutter those who might comment.

Hypocrisy, thou hast come home to roost.

boschpilot

Just had a quick gander at some of your posts John. Couldn’t find one that wasn’t argumentative and petty. Your last post was rather eloquent though I’ll give you that.

Ultimately, the guys that are calling for a vote are the experienced ones such as stickwiggler and other seasoned cadre who have vested interests in the matter and post relevant and useful information. However it’s those who hold personal issues with the company, have alternate agendas and wax poetically to defame ppl who present facts on the subject that are not helping. Information and facts are what’s needed now more than ever.

stickwiggler

That is moronic and nonsensical horse crap.

How am I airing dirty laundry?

You claim that I'm calling out "the OBSERVING masses"...

B.S. !! Observe all you want.

Just don't work at another company and tell us that we can only redeem ourselves.....

(or not fold, be fearful or my fav, the accusation that our pilots are not capable of determining our future- but you can)

....if we do your bidding.

It is not a cry for attention, chest beating or least of all, hypocritical.

And, if you notice, I still have never told any Omni pilot how to vote.

I have huge respect for our group and respect their opinion, but what we don't need are people who risk NOTHING telling us how to vote.

FL450

Wouldn't neccessarily say that this statement is true. None of us line pilots know the entire truth. The company has it's agenda and the union has theirs. I personally believe that many of us want our elected negotiators to do their jobs. That doesn't mean push a sub standard contract down our throats but, when reasonable, agree on a TA that is worthy of voting. Regardless of what "Omni" thread you read on here it's mostly personal valor of why "we" need to vote now.

There will always be a vocal minority with any pilot group in contract negotiations but they never represent the mass. Omni has a lot of great pilots that deserve a fair and equitable contract that addresses all issues not just the hot topics.

Here are some topics that the company hasn't addresses in their marketing campaigns:

LOA for small aircraft

Seniority: A lot of those affected during the time furlough are not given raises on their date of hire anniversary. Re-indexed based on recall anniversary for pay due to current C.B.A. rules. (Snapbacks? Retro pay?

Trip Trading: Needs clear language

Open time: Current C.B.A. it's supposed to be viewable to crew members... never has been!

Ratification Bonus?

These are just examples, they are not personal wants or needs yet plausible topics that may be a concern to our N.C.

Slandering the officials we elected to represent us during this arduous process gets us no where. If the current FA TA that is open for voting is any indication of what our negotiating committee is dealing with, there's a lot of grey and not enough black and white!

boschpilot

I don’t know where you get your information but to the best of MY knowledge, the three major items in contention are healthcare, duty day, and travel. Yes, we are still bargaining on that mostly due to domestic gateway still being economy. Thanks for bringing up the Flight Attendant negotiations as a comparison. You must be running out of material.
Asking the electorate to do their job is not slander. They work for us (OAI pilot group-not just Atlas, ATI, ABX, Allegiant etc..) and at some point are going to have to consider the majority of our position and that time is coming very soon.

stickwiggler

450,
It sounds like you actually work at Omni, so I totally respect your opinion.

I must disagree that the people who want to see a TA are a "vocal minority ".
To the contrary, the running pole of pilots I've talked to are overwhelmingly in favor of a TA based on the last company offer.

I realize we are both spouting opinions, but I know a sure fire way to find out.