Dutch80

There is a glaring and self evident solution.
Allow the pilots a vote.

JohnDoe763

It’s tough to vote on a nonexistent TA. Bullet points don’t make up a TA

aviatorhi

I'm really going to be impressed with this union when they hold out so long the economy takes a dump and we end up losing half the gains.

Dutch80

I beg to differ.

I’m fairly certain that a legally binding document exists that can be voted on.

But only if our EXCO allows it.

FL450

A document drafted by one party.. is Just a wish list.

A Tentative AGREEMENT means that both parties have reached a place within their ZOPA that they feel meets the needs of the individuals they represent.

since there's no Agreement... there's nothing to potentially vote on

Dutch80

And there is a way to determine weather the “needs of the individuals they represent have been met”

Is called a Vote.

Screwed

When was the last election for your union leaders and when is the next?

For those who want a vote, you might have to elect new leadership.

seveihtdnasrail

Word is the Exco is stepping down and someone new will take the helm. Maybe we will have some positive movement even though the others will remain.

aviatorhi

Lets hope so.

RedWhiteAndBlue

In effect, “Atlas” will not allow us to proceed until it meets their requirements. Its that simple. Its that obvious. Personally you have to be blind not to get this. But if you believe that its most important to best serve the industry as a whole you will be satisfied with where things are. If you believe that its the Omni pilot group that is most important you won’t be. Until “Atlas” is satisfied, precisely nothing will happen and the dice continues to be rolled. I wonder how many rolls there are?

A contractual document exists. A session is needed to finalize language. We are told by one side that its full of language holes and that effectively renders it null and void-my words of course. (or its not “industry standard” using the coded teleconference verbiage for “Atlas says its not up to our standard” IMO). The other side says it isn’t and that new things keep being added to the table. ( Domestic business class? Retro pay?)

One side isn’t telling the truth. Eventually we will find out which it is. This has gone on long enough for there not to be consequences no matter which it is. I think its well worth thinking about.....

And the dice continues to roll.....