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Old 01-17-2018, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by be76flyer View Post
I am sorry, I am not a Omni pilot but have friends there and I have to call you out on calling Eric spineless. Eric has stepped up and has been a leader willing to fight for you, no disrespect to Tony, but I question any person that goes from union leadership to management. Eric wants you to be compensated for the income you bring to the company. Your company is not willing to negotiate individual sections and only offers take it or leave it package offers. Yes I have talked to Eric and you NC in passing. I want the best for Omni pilots for no other reason than my friends who work there.
Pejoratives aside, his assessment of the mood of the pilot group is accurate.
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Old 01-17-2018, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by stickwiggler View Post
So you're willing to support the suicide bomber's family....
just not put on the vest.

Brave.
Boy. Nice slam. Calling me a coward.

I have walked the line for three different airlines. I have volunteered for union committees, I have supported other airline pilots who were on strike walking picket lines with them.

I want nothing more than for OMNI, Kalitta, ABX and yes, Atlas to have great contracts as soon as possible. I feel that the best way to do that is to stick together and fight FOR each other - not with each other. That is ALL that I have promoted for all 1224 carriers.

I would have thought that a pilot with as many years as you have in the industry (not to mention military duty) would understand the concept of working together as a team.

Instead, you choose to try to belittle me and my fellow Atlas pilots as the enemy. When your guns should be aimed at your company management, they are aimed at us.

I have supported my fellow union pilots at both ALPA and Teamster airlines for 30 years and will continue to support the union pilots at OMNI no matter what.

Because THAT is how we can all succeed in negotiations.
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Old 01-17-2018, 08:18 PM
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At least DC8 is honest about his support for “Atlas” preventing Omni pilots from seeing the document.

Thank you for your honesty.

Enjoy the “Atlas” ride fellow Omni pilots. We are being screwed. Hope everyone likes it.

See what the market did again today? Too bad the tens of thousands of dollars “Atlas” won’t allow us to have aren’t working for us.....

I wonder if a legal case can in fact be made. Remember 747?
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Old 01-18-2018, 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by RedWhiteAndBlue View Post
At least DC8 is honest about his support for “Atlas” preventing Omni pilots from seeing the document.

Thank you for your honesty.

Enjoy the “Atlas” ride fellow Omni pilots. We are being screwed. Hope everyone likes it.

See what the market did again today? Too bad the tens of thousands of dollars “Atlas” won’t allow us to have aren’t working for us.....

I wonder if a legal case can in fact be made. Remember 747?
Instead of whining on and on about how "Atlas" is preventing you from your new contract, why don't you man up and do something about it.

Sue the union for misrepresenting the best interests of the Omni pilots. If what you claim is true then you should have no trouble winning the case. Or start a decertification vote.

Man up and do something. Your constant whining is ridiculous. If you truly believe what you write then DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!
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Old 01-18-2018, 06:40 AM
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Instead of whining on and on about how "Atlas" is preventing you from your new contract, why don't you man up and do something about it.

Sue the union for misrepresenting the best interests of the Omni pilots. If what you claim is true then you should have no trouble winning the case. Or start a decertification vote.

Man up and do something. Your constant whining is ridiculous. If you truly believe what you write then DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!
1. You don’t know what has been tried.

2. The obvious easy fix lies with “Atlas”.
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Old 01-18-2018, 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Screwed View Post
Instead of whining on and on about how "Atlas" is preventing you from your new contract, why don't you man up and do something about it.

Sue the union for misrepresenting the best interests of the Omni pilots. If what you claim is true then you should have no trouble winning the case. Or start a decertification vote.

Man up and do something. Your constant whining is ridiculous. If you truly believe what you write then DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!
Whining?
Now that’s funny coming from you..
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Old 01-18-2018, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by RedWhiteAndBlue View Post
1. You don’t know what has been tried.

2. The obvious easy fix lies with “Atlas”.
What is the obvious easy fix?
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Old 01-18-2018, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by be76flyer View Post
I am sorry, I am not a Omni pilot but have friends there and I have to call you out on calling Eric spineless. Eric has stepped up and has been a leader willing to fight for you, no disrespect to Tony, but I question any person that goes from union leadership to management. Eric wants you to be compensated for the income you bring to the company. Your company is not willing to negotiate individual sections and only offers take it or leave it package offers. Yes I have talked to Eric and you NC in passing. I want the best for Omni pilots for no other reason than my friends who work there.
I don't know the EXCO personally, at least not very well, and will not characterized him in any way.

That said, I've grown tired of listening to the misinformation, sometimes downright falsehoods being disseminated among the pilot group. And while I have little doubt this is orchestrated by 1224 management and repeated by their lackeys, it would be appreciated if our own EXCO would once in a while, set the record straight.

In the absence of that, I can understand how one would question where the EXCO's loyalties lie.
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Old 01-18-2018, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by CargoPirate View Post
What is the obvious easy fix?
Its shocking that you can’t come up with the answer yourself.
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Old 01-18-2018, 05:43 PM
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So, I just got the inside scoop on Omni and it was just what I expected all along. This whole thread is a farce!

A lame tactic by Omni management to try to break the pilots...nice!

Hello Omni management:

I see you like to spend your days hanging out here, along with a few line guys that are anti-union (probably scabs) with multiple screen names, posting over and over about wanting to vote for a CBA, decertify, and blaming the union leaders as well as Atlas for your labor problems.

It must be fun sitting out in Tulsa in the middle of nowhere playing keyboard jockey. If you put half as much effort into learning how to become effective airline managers as you do trying to beat down labor costs to subsidize your management inadequacies, you might actually be excused for being as arrogant as you are.

Your airline sucks, it has always sucked and it will always suck with you and your team at the helm. Your management team is the laughing stock of the industry.

To the actual line pilots of Omni:

We all support you 100% and we sympathize with your unfortunate position in having to deal with the airline management rejects of the industry.

Let me tell you what your managers, unsurprisingly, can't figure out. The go-to solution to their inability to manage has always been to beat down labor costs. The labor cost advantage has been able to mask their inadequacies throughout the history of Omni. Guess what? Those days are over. Like it or not, the supply/demand equation has changed in a drastic way. Pilots are a commodity with pricing power that is rapidly getting stronger and less elastic every day. They could win this battle but ultimately they lose the war and that is a fact. Beat down labor again, sign another substandard CBA. Okay, no pilots will come to Omni. They shrink until they are out of business.

You guys must achieve a competitive contract or your company is done. Anyone in business knows, you evolve or you die. Unfortunately, you can't count on your managers to evolve. You will have to push them, kicking and screaming, to change just for your own survival. Their time of reckoning is fast approaching and they will no longer be able to hide their lack of skill by exploiting yours.
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