Seniority / CPP / Aircraft - Info
01-17-2019, 11:39 AM
#463
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Joined APC: Oct 2018
Posts: 55
Yeah- it is cyclical here. Right now we have a lot of FO”s coming in and are short Capts. Was the other way not long ago. Have seen this yo-yo back and forth over the last few years. Problem now is the govt shutdown will begin to affect training since we can’t make any new LCA’s without fed rides and we can’t recertify LCA’s without feds either - eventually this will make it hard to make new Captains contributing to that shortage. There’s a lot this shutdown will affect here.
01-17-2019, 04:53 PM
#464
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Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 401
Supposedly the Feds are back on the job (sorta). I assume they'll be doing fed rides at this point to keep pilots flying.
Ultimately, there's a ton of pilots about to time out everywhere if it keeps going without any feds. Check airmen need fed rides for line checks. As they time out, they can't do line checks for other CAs. Run out of CAs and the airline is dead in the water.
Our first few classes of new hire FOs are about to have their temp ATP certs expire (120 day limitation). We'll see what pilot records can do as a temp solution but I hear at other carriers the pilots are getting paid leave.
Ultimately, there's a ton of pilots about to time out everywhere if it keeps going without any feds. Check airmen need fed rides for line checks. As they time out, they can't do line checks for other CAs. Run out of CAs and the airline is dead in the water.
Our first few classes of new hire FOs are about to have their temp ATP certs expire (120 day limitation). We'll see what pilot records can do as a temp solution but I hear at other carriers the pilots are getting paid leave.
01-17-2019, 06:14 PM
#465
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Joined APC: Nov 2015
Position: EMB-145 FO
Posts: 15
Originally Posted by JediCheese
Supposedly the Feds are back on the job (sorta). I assume they'll be doing fed rides at this point to keep pilots flying.
Ultimately, there's a ton of pilots about to time out everywhere if it keeps going without any feds. Check airmen need fed rides for line checks. As they time out, they can't do line checks for other CAs. Run out of CAs and the airline is dead in the water.
Our first few classes of new hire FOs are about to have their temp ATP certs expire (120 day limitation). We'll see what pilot records can do as a temp solution but I hear at other carriers the pilots are getting paid leave.
Ultimately, there's a ton of pilots about to time out everywhere if it keeps going without any feds. Check airmen need fed rides for line checks. As they time out, they can't do line checks for other CAs. Run out of CAs and the airline is dead in the water.
Our first few classes of new hire FOs are about to have their temp ATP certs expire (120 day limitation). We'll see what pilot records can do as a temp solution but I hear at other carriers the pilots are getting paid leave.
01-18-2019, 02:12 PM
#466
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Joined APC: Aug 2009
Posts: 511
Originally Posted by darrylb38
I was in the 9/6/18 class, checkride on 11/12/18 and I got my permanent last week. My application fully processed on 12/21/18, the day before the shutdown. Expiring temps won't be a problem until March.
01-23-2019, 04:13 AM
#467
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Joined APC: Feb 2011
Posts: 399
As of 1/23/2019
Red & Bold = New Information
Junior First Officer:
EWR - 12/17/18
IAD - 12/17/18
Using the training timeline of someone I know who started at the end of the summer, it took 103 days from the day this person started, to their first flight off of IOE.
Junior Captain*:
EWR - 12/12/17
IAD - 11/28/16
*CommutAir has CQFs. The bottom 5% of awarded Captains are CQFs by seniority. This is why there is a discrepancy between upgrade dates listed below, and junior captain date. Junior captain date listed is someone who is holding full Captain, not CQF.
Upgrades:
2018: 76 (Junior Award: New Hire)
January: 20 (Junior Award: New Hire)
February: 16 (Junior Award: New Hire)
March: 20
New Hires:
September 2018: 19
October 2018: 22
November 2018: 20
December 2018: 21
Junior CA Line Holder:
EWR - 11/30/2017
IAD - 06/06/2016
Junior FO Line Holder:
EWR - 08/09/2018
IAD - 08/09/2018
CPP:
December 2017: 6
2018: 28 (That have been officially confirmed)
Pilots listed on the seniority list as of January 1st, 2019: 362
Pilots listed on domicile list as of January 23rd, 2019: 338
Current list of E145 aircraft on our D085:
Red & Bold = New Information
Junior First Officer:
EWR - 12/17/18
IAD - 12/17/18
Using the training timeline of someone I know who started at the end of the summer, it took 103 days from the day this person started, to their first flight off of IOE.
Junior Captain*:
EWR - 12/12/17
IAD - 11/28/16
*CommutAir has CQFs. The bottom 5% of awarded Captains are CQFs by seniority. This is why there is a discrepancy between upgrade dates listed below, and junior captain date. Junior captain date listed is someone who is holding full Captain, not CQF.
Upgrades:
2018: 76 (Junior Award: New Hire)
January: 20 (Junior Award: New Hire)
February: 16 (Junior Award: New Hire)
March: 20
New Hires:
September 2018: 19
October 2018: 22
November 2018: 20
December 2018: 21
Junior CA Line Holder:
EWR - 11/30/2017
IAD - 06/06/2016
Junior FO Line Holder:
EWR - 08/09/2018
IAD - 08/09/2018
CPP:
December 2017: 6
2018: 28 (That have been officially confirmed)
Pilots listed on the seniority list as of January 1st, 2019: 362
Pilots listed on domicile list as of January 23rd, 2019: 338
Current list of E145 aircraft on our D085:
- N11176
- N11181
- N11187
- N11191
- N11193
- N11194
- N11199
- N12157
- N12160
- N12175
- N12195
- N13161
- N13202
- N14143
- N14162
- N14168
- N14173
- N14174
- N14171
- N14177
- N14179
- N14186
- N14198
- N14204
- N16147
- N16183
- N17169
- N21154
- N21197
- N27190
- N33182
01-30-2019, 06:36 AM
#469
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Joined APC: Aug 2016
Posts: 271
Originally Posted by Wdr357
So are there no Direct Entry Captains? Only CQFs? If so, what’s the purpose of that?
As far as CQFs the post that keeps getting updated with new info in red talks about the way that works. The bottom 5% of the captains on the seniority list are CQFs which means they can fly in the left or right seat. Right now we have 7 or 8 CQFs. As people junior to the current CQFs upgrade, they are no longer in the bottom 5% so they are regular captains at that point. As long as we keep upgrading people in indoc, the "street captains" won't be CQFs for very long. Does that clear it up for you?
01-30-2019, 09:15 AM
#470
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Joined APC: Jan 2019
Posts: 18
Originally Posted by dead meat
There are technically no direct entry captains because there is nothing in the pilot contract that addresses it. However, we are s short on captains that people that already meet the requirements for upgrade are being awarded it during indoc and then going through sims in the left seat.
As far as CQFs the post that keeps getting updated with new info in red talks about the way that works. The bottom 5% of the captains on the seniority list are CQFs which means they can fly in the left or right seat. Right now we have 7 or 8 CQFs. As people junior to the current CQFs upgrade, they are no longer in the bottom 5% so they are regular captains at that point. As long as we keep upgrading people in indoc, the "street captains" won't be CQFs for very long. Does that clear it up for you?
As far as CQFs the post that keeps getting updated with new info in red talks about the way that works. The bottom 5% of the captains on the seniority list are CQFs which means they can fly in the left or right seat. Right now we have 7 or 8 CQFs. As people junior to the current CQFs upgrade, they are no longer in the bottom 5% so they are regular captains at that point. As long as we keep upgrading people in indoc, the "street captains" won't be CQFs for very long. Does that clear it up for you?
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