What's the Latest with Commutair?
05-24-2018, 06:45 AM
#21
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Joined APC: Dec 2015
Position: B777 CA
Posts: 736
Originally Posted by marshal
There is lots of growth happening here. (Which is great for seniority, but creates some logistical issues.) Scheduled to get another plane in June. Upgrade time is going to fall quickly in the upcoming months from many have said and projected. I was able to take the Hogan before Indoc so I knew I had passed that part before I started which gave me peace of mind about the process. There has been someone who completed the whole CPP right at 2 years. As long as United keeps having classes, the CPP keeps moving qualified pilots through.
I looked at an AA WO before coming here and from what I gathered it would be at least 7 years before you would flow. The five year time difference was not worth the guarantee flow to me.
I looked at an AA WO before coming here and from what I gathered it would be at least 7 years before you would flow. The five year time difference was not worth the guarantee flow to me.
Some info that may have a significant effect on UAL hiring and the CPP.
UAL management has been advertising 4 to 6 percent growth for the next several years, but that doesn't directly translate to the same actual numbers of mainline pilot growth. We do have the potential for significant pilot growth in the future in addition to retirements.
We are currently negotiating a new CBA, UAL management and the union say they want a deal by the amendable date early next year. Traditionally, negotiations on a new CBA take at least 3 years and in some cases several more years.
However, our management is in a box and ALPA has some leverage. UAL management presently is under a lot of pressure from Wall Street and the financial community to show their growth plan is working and if they can successfully close the revenue and profitability gap with DAL and AA. United wants more 70/76 seaters as we have less then DAL and AA. A big reason United is behind DAL and AA profitability wise is we lag DAL by 130 & AA by 200 mainline narrowbodies. Although we have more widebodies then AA and DAL, domestic at present is the most profitable part of the business and we need more mainline narrowbodies and 70/76 seaters if we are to have a chance of being as profitable as DAL and AA.
Our scope clause prevents any more additional 70/76 seaters unless they buy 100 seaters for mainline. Since that would take years to come to fruition even if they ordered them today, United management needs a deal with ALPA.
My two cents. ALPA will not negotiate any scope concessions and if they did it would never be ratified by our pilots. They only way to get more 70/76 seaters at UAL (and fast) is for mainline pilots to fly them. So I’m looking for some type of outside the box industry changing agreement. If not, it mostly likely be a long and traditional negotiating cycle. Time will tell.
There also been numerous news reports of potential small narrowbody and widebody aircraft orders.
Anyway, welcome to the United family and best of luck at Commutair and the CPP. Hope to fly with you at United someday.
05-24-2018, 10:00 AM
#23
Line Holder
Joined APC: Apr 2018
Posts: 70
Originally Posted by PotatoChip
Envoy flow will likely come down, but it is still relatively long.
AA is starting to hire more OTS pilots outside of flows. SWA, UPS, FedEx regularly hire non-regional types. The reason they hire more regional pilots is simply statistics, there ARE more regional pilots. If you have the competitive minimums and can stand out, you can be hired from a 91/135.
AA is starting to hire more OTS pilots outside of flows. SWA, UPS, FedEx regularly hire non-regional types. The reason they hire more regional pilots is simply statistics, there ARE more regional pilots. If you have the competitive minimums and can stand out, you can be hired from a 91/135.
05-24-2018, 10:11 AM
#24
Layover Master
Joined APC: Jan 2013
Position: Seated
Posts: 4,310
Originally Posted by jacburn
Kind of puts all your post in perspective.
Is the grass always greener on the other side for you?
Is the grass always greener on the other side for you?
Bankruptcy. Furlough. Overseas in the lost decade. Downgrade.
I’ve never left a company just to leave. I’ve just tried to pay my mortgage and support my family.
Maybe you haven’t been introduced to how this industry can be. I hope for your sake you never are.
05-24-2018, 02:00 PM
#26
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 161
Originally Posted by Boeing Aviator
Are you in Indoc now? If so I have a friend in your class. I'm a 757/767 CA at United. We've barely been hiring to cover retirements the last few years.
Some info that may have a significant effect on UAL hiring and the CPP.
UAL management has been advertising 4 to 6 percent growth for the next several years, but that doesn't directly translate to the same actual numbers of mainline pilot growth. We do have the potential for significant pilot growth in the future in addition to retirements.
We are currently negotiating a new CBA, UAL management and the union say they want a deal by the amendable date early next year. Traditionally, negotiations on a new CBA take at least 3 years and in some cases several more years.
However, our management is in a box and ALPA has some leverage. UAL management presently is under a lot of pressure from Wall Street and the financial community to show their growth plan is working and if they can successfully close the revenue and profitability gap with DAL and AA. United wants more 70/76 seaters as we have less then DAL and AA. A big reason United is behind DAL and AA profitability wise is we lag DAL by 130 & AA by 200 mainline narrowbodies. Although we have more widebodies then AA and DAL, domestic at present is the most profitable part of the business and we need more mainline narrowbodies and 70/76 seaters if we are to have a chance of being as profitable as DAL and AA.
Our scope clause prevents any more additional 70/76 seaters unless they buy 100 seaters for mainline. Since that would take years to come to fruition even if they ordered them today, United management needs a deal with ALPA.
My two cents. ALPA will not negotiate any scope concessions and if they did it would never be ratified by our pilots. They only way to get more 70/76 seaters at UAL (and fast) is for mainline pilots to fly them. So I’m looking for some type of outside the box industry changing agreement. If not, it mostly likely be a long and traditional negotiating cycle. Time will tell.
There also been numerous news reports of potential small narrowbody and widebody aircraft orders.
Anyway, welcome to the United family and best of luck at Commutair and the CPP. Hope to fly with you at United someday.
Some info that may have a significant effect on UAL hiring and the CPP.
UAL management has been advertising 4 to 6 percent growth for the next several years, but that doesn't directly translate to the same actual numbers of mainline pilot growth. We do have the potential for significant pilot growth in the future in addition to retirements.
We are currently negotiating a new CBA, UAL management and the union say they want a deal by the amendable date early next year. Traditionally, negotiations on a new CBA take at least 3 years and in some cases several more years.
However, our management is in a box and ALPA has some leverage. UAL management presently is under a lot of pressure from Wall Street and the financial community to show their growth plan is working and if they can successfully close the revenue and profitability gap with DAL and AA. United wants more 70/76 seaters as we have less then DAL and AA. A big reason United is behind DAL and AA profitability wise is we lag DAL by 130 & AA by 200 mainline narrowbodies. Although we have more widebodies then AA and DAL, domestic at present is the most profitable part of the business and we need more mainline narrowbodies and 70/76 seaters if we are to have a chance of being as profitable as DAL and AA.
Our scope clause prevents any more additional 70/76 seaters unless they buy 100 seaters for mainline. Since that would take years to come to fruition even if they ordered them today, United management needs a deal with ALPA.
My two cents. ALPA will not negotiate any scope concessions and if they did it would never be ratified by our pilots. They only way to get more 70/76 seaters at UAL (and fast) is for mainline pilots to fly them. So I’m looking for some type of outside the box industry changing agreement. If not, it mostly likely be a long and traditional negotiating cycle. Time will tell.
There also been numerous news reports of potential small narrowbody and widebody aircraft orders.
Anyway, welcome to the United family and best of luck at Commutair and the CPP. Hope to fly with you at United someday.
05-24-2018, 11:27 PM
#27
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2016
Posts: 385
Not tracking on why CPP/DGI/similar shouldn't be a Plan B - care to elaborate on your thoughts there? Definitely agreed that AA flow should only be Plan B.
Originally Posted by JediCheese
At least when you hate on the company, get it right. 2 years and 10 days, not 2 years and 10 months.
It's a calculated risk. Guaranteed flow at an AA WO or CPP/DGI? I think the AA flow is a great back pocket option, but it shouldn't be plan A. CPP/DGI can be a plan A, but shouldn't be a plan B. They're very different programs.
It's a calculated risk. Guaranteed flow at an AA WO or CPP/DGI? I think the AA flow is a great back pocket option, but it shouldn't be plan A. CPP/DGI can be a plan A, but shouldn't be a plan B. They're very different programs.
Last edited by fenix1; 05-24-2018 at 11:28 PM. Reason: Grew up under powerlines & kant spel real gud...
05-25-2018, 11:24 AM
#28
On Reserve
Joined APC: Apr 2017
Posts: 12
A lot of these comments were indeed helpful. Overall goal is to get in United, but short term goal is to build 121 PIC (and I'd genuinely enjoy it too). The DEC at Piedmont and Envoy like a previous commentor said is basically 5 years on reserve while you wait for AAL at tough bases too like LGA. What appeals to Commutair is the "chance at UAL". I was eyeballing Endeavor too, but since this is a Commutair forum I'll keep the topic on Commutair. Thanks everyone for your comments.
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