Can somebody explain the math?
09-17-2018, 07:55 AM
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Can somebody explain the math?
The CommutAir profile says that you are hiring and have classes of 25-30 every three weeks. That would be a hiring rate of eight to ten pilots a week - somewhere between 400 and 500 a year.
But the profile also says that you have a grand total of 306 pilots, which would represent only about eight months hiring.
So how do you get the numbers to work? Is there a real high failure rate in training? Or are people passing the training then bailing out to other opportunities before they even get 1000 hours of 121 SIC? (And if so, why is that?)
Because those numbers in your profile are weird. What's the REAL story?
But the profile also says that you have a grand total of 306 pilots, which would represent only about eight months hiring.
So how do you get the numbers to work? Is there a real high failure rate in training? Or are people passing the training then bailing out to other opportunities before they even get 1000 hours of 121 SIC? (And if so, why is that?)
Because those numbers in your profile are weird. What's the REAL story?
09-17-2018, 09:42 AM
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Airline pilot central is updated by users so not always up to date. Classes are every 2 weeks and apparently there were 8 in the Sept 6 class and 17 are scheduled for the Sept 20th class. There is also attrition with pilots leaving.
09-17-2018, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by JediCheese
We're going to hire 300 this year. The seniority list shows this.
People leave. The QoL here is abysmally low. The lines are marginally commutable. Reserve can feel endless.
People leave. The QoL here is abysmally low. The lines are marginally commutable. Reserve can feel endless.
are you EWR, or IAD based? And what would you say is the biggest reason QOL is bad? I am coming there either way but just like to know ahead of time. I did get offers from a few other places but their earliest class dates are late oct/ early nov and the job i did have (not flying) laid us all off when the contract didnt get renewed. I figure whatever the deal is, I can put up with some crap for 2 or 3 years.
09-17-2018, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by corporategypsy
are you EWR, or IAD based? And what would you say is the biggest reason QOL is bad? I am coming there either way but just like to know ahead of time. I did get offers from a few other places but their earliest class dates are late oct/ early nov and the job i did have (not flying) laid us all off when the contract didnt get renewed. I figure whatever the deal is, I can put up with some crap for 2 or 3 years.
09-17-2018, 02:51 PM
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Leaving United TK (United mainline training center) today after recurrent sims. Word here is 80 pilots a month indefinitely including Summer. If true (TK always a rumor mill so take it for what its worth) should mean more CPP pilots since we’ve (UAL) been barely hiring. Best of luck to you guys moving up and onward.
10-17-2018, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Boeing Aviator
Leaving United TK (United mainline training center) today after recurrent sims. Word here is 80 pilots a month indefinitely including Summer. If true (TK always a rumor mill so take it for what its worth) should mean more CPP pilots since we’ve (UAL) been barely hiring. Best of luck to you guys moving up and onward.
Thanks for the insight.
10-18-2018, 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by TURF17
What's the real scoop on guys coming into UAL outside any CPP? Tempting to leave current position flying something larger than a regional but really want to know if that is going to make a difference going to a CPP regional airline?
Thanks for the insight.
Thanks for the insight.
10-18-2018, 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by JediCheese
We're going to hire 300 this year. The seniority list shows this.
People leave. The QoL here is abysmally low. The lines are marginally commutable. Reserve can feel endless.
People leave. The QoL here is abysmally low. The lines are marginally commutable. Reserve can feel endless.
Being CQF do you get paid Captain pay, while sitting in right seat?
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