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Old 12-23-2018, 12:00 PM
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Now that he is the new CEO of Expressjet some of you have been commenting on his relationship with the pilots of Commutair. Can anyone further elaborate on this guys relationship with his subordinates? Sounds like he doesn't like pilots too much?

"Subodh frequently, when talking to new hire classes at C5, has said that he hates pilots, criticized them for not doing well enough to give him a bigger bonus, isn't interested in making any QOL improvements and said that of they dont like it they can leave. Good luck."

"I didnt hear that specific thing but at a new hire dinner at C5 he was proud of his time running Delta Connection during the whole Comair debacle. He also ran 2 Indian airlines into the ground."

"Yes, there are several on here that heard it. He was talking specifically about his on time performance bonus being more than a pilot makes in a year."

"I heard him say many things. He even dropped the F bomb a few times to new hire classes. During his presentation about growth he said, "If we can't hire, F it. We'll go out of business." Another infamous quote of his was about our ability to retain pilots. He said, "I like to think of C5 like a college. People come in, get their education, and leave." The problem is he treated pilots as C5 like they were students as ITT Tech, not Harvard.

Good luck to you guys."




With the moral at Expressjet being as bad as it is on top of a really bad pilot shortage here I don't think his tenure is going to go well at all. Seems he already has a sorted past with other airlines as well.... I can't believe United Airlines would pick someone like this to be the leader of one of their feeder airlines. Oscar's good will and relationship with the mainline employees seems to be paying off. Why not extend those successes?
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Old 12-23-2018, 06:58 PM
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Now that he is the new CEO of Expressjet some of you have been commenting on his relationship with the pilots of Commutair. Can anyone further elaborate on this guys relationship with his subordinates? Sounds like he doesn't like pilots too much?

"Subodh frequently, when talking to new hire classes at C5, has said that he hates pilots, criticized them for not doing well enough to give him a bigger bonus, isn't interested in making any QOL improvements and said that of they dont like it they can leave. Good luck."

"I didnt hear that specific thing but at a new hire dinner at C5 he was proud of his time running Delta Connection during the whole Comair debacle. He also ran 2 Indian airlines into the ground."

"Yes, there are several on here that heard it. He was talking specifically about his on time performance bonus being more than a pilot makes in a year."

"I heard him say many things. He even dropped the F bomb a few times to new hire classes. During his presentation about growth he said, "If we can't hire, F it. We'll go out of business." Another infamous quote of his was about our ability to retain pilots. He said, "I like to think of C5 like a college. People come in, get their education, and leave." The problem is he treated pilots as C5 like they were students as ITT Tech, not Harvard.

Good luck to you guys."




With the moral at Expressjet being as bad as it is on top of a really bad pilot shortage here I don't think his tenure is going to go well at all. Seems he already has a sorted past with other airlines as well.... I can't believe United Airlines would pick someone like this to be the leader of one of their feeder airlines. Oscar's good will and relationship with the mainline employees seems to be paying off. Why not extend those successes?

I seriously doubt that he said those things - at least not in public with rank and file employees around and for sure not at a new hire pep talk.

He may think along those lines but absolutely nobody - regardless how incompetent - has that little situational awareness to go on the record in such a way.
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Old 12-23-2018, 10:26 PM
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Some people just don't care. When you have a few mil tucked away, and have vast amounts of experience, there's always another door opening. So either the commutair guys who said they heard some of these things first hand are lying, or he did actually say these things. He's not a pilot himself, I don't doubt he hates pilots. Pilots are a bunch of pains in the arses.
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Old 12-24-2018, 05:11 AM
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I am no longer at C5, but during my time there I saw Subodh address our new hire class and talked to him one on one at the new hire dinner/ open tab at a brew pub in Dulles. He is very open about not liking pilots. When he addressed the new hire class, he was somewhat professional, but still did manage to work in a few anti pilot digs. At the brew pub he told me to my face that he knows pilots are selfish and only care about themselves, that we are terrible at working as a team, and are not loyal. In one way, isn’t that better then the normal management bs of calling us a family to our face then undercutting us? Don’t get me wrong I don’t like the man and he should not be trusted. Good luck all
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I am no longer at C5, but during my time there I saw Subodh address our new hire class and talked to him one on one at the new hire dinner/ open tab at a brew pub in Dulles. He is very open about not liking pilots. When he addressed the new hire class, he was somewhat professional, but still did manage to work in a few anti pilot digs. At the brew pub he told me to my face that he knows pilots are selfish and only care about themselves, that we are terrible at working as a team, and are not loyal. In one way, isn’t that better then the normal management bs of calling us a family to our face then undercutting us? Don’t get me wrong I don’t like the man and he should not be trusted. Good luck all
I mean, in general, he isn't wrong.
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I seriously doubt that he said those things - at least not in public with rank and file employees around and for sure not at a new hire pep talk.

He may think along those lines but absolutely nobody - regardless how incompetent - has that little situational awareness to go on the record in such a way.
I wouldn't have posted it if I hadn't heard it straight from the horse's mouth. And yeah, that's a double negative on Xmas Eve. Sorry, baby Jesus.
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I am no longer at C5, but during my time there I saw Subodh address our new hire class and talked to him one on one at the new hire dinner/ open tab at a brew pub in Dulles. He is very open about not liking pilots. When he addressed the new hire class, he was somewhat professional, but still did manage to work in a few anti pilot digs. At the brew pub he told me to my face that he knows pilots are selfish and only care about themselves, that we are terrible at working as a team, and are not loyal. In one way, isn’t that better then the normal management bs of calling us a family to our face then undercutting us? Don’t get me wrong I don’t like the man and he should not be trusted. Good luck all
Wow that is pretty inept on his part to not even pretend....

At least you know what you get then.
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I am no longer at C5, but during my time there I saw Subodh address our new hire class and talked to him one on one at the new hire dinner/ open tab at a brew pub in Dulles. He is very open about not liking pilots. When he addressed the new hire class, he was somewhat professional, but still did manage to work in a few anti pilot digs. At the brew pub he told me to my face that he knows pilots are selfish and only care about themselves, that we are terrible at working as a team, and are not loyal. In one way, isn’t that better then the normal management bs of calling us a family to our face then undercutting us? Don’t get me wrong I don’t like the man and he should not be trusted. Good luck all

Pretty sure the crews at Southwest, Skywest and others are loyal and hard working. You cannot treat your employees like garbage and expect them to produce for you. You get out of them what you put in to an extent. Who is he to talk about loyalty?
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Originally Posted by TFAYD View Post
I seriously doubt that he said those things - at least not in public with rank and file employees around and for sure not at a new hire pep talk.

He may think along those lines but absolutely nobody - regardless how incompetent - has that little situational awareness to go on the record in such a way.
I totally agree. It seems so hard to believe someone would be dumb enough to say that kinda stuff. Heard it from multiple sources so wasn't sure what to believe. Hence the thread.
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Originally Posted by TFAYD View Post
I seriously doubt that he said those things - at least not in public with rank and file employees around and for sure not at a new hire pep talk.

He may think along those lines but absolutely nobody - regardless how incompetent - has that little situational awareness to go on the record in such a way.
Actually, there and have been;

Jim Ream/Jim Nides
Hulas Kanodia
Tom Moore
Orenstein.

Just to name a few.
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