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jacburn 01-11-2019 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by Deluth16 (Post 2741077)
What hotel do new hires stay at in Iad (brand)?
When do new-hires get into CASS?
Thanks

Most stay at a Hampton Inn with overflows at a Hawthorn Suites or a Courtyard.

And I will add, just because there are still some of those airlines (skywest) that make you stay with someone else in the same room. We are always single occupancy rooms. No one ever has to sleep with anyone else at C5.

Cass is granted when passing the Sim ride. Badges are given at end of systems class.

Blackhawk 01-11-2019 10:26 AM


Originally Posted by jacburn (Post 2741086)
We currently have a rotating door at C5 with the upper CA's going on to other majors and classes of new hires starting every couple of weeks. The reserve time for new hire FO's is very short (one or two months) because of the current hiring and promotions. We do not have a top heavy group of CA's that are blocking up the seniority list. Yes, I know that a lot of the ASA CA's left for K4, but that did not take care of the L-XJT side.

It is still unknown if the new XJT CEO will repeat history by pulling down a large number of the XJT existing fleet to cover the new 175 aircraft like he has a history of doing in the past. If he does pull down more of the 145 flying, there will be stagnation over the next year. Yes, that happened at C5 while he was here and his previous carriers as well.

CPP is doing a fairly good job of attrition on the L-XJT side. Latest memo states 50-60 going United Q1 alone. If that holds up for the year that’s over 200 of the more senior pilots. Again, that will probably be a wash.

PhantomHawk 01-11-2019 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by Blackhawk (Post 2741135)
CPP is doing a fairly good job of attrition on the L-XJT side. Latest memo states 50-60 going United Q1 alone. If that holds up for the year that’s over 200 of the more senior pilots. Again, that will probably be a wash.

The current seniority level going to UAL is middle of the pack. Almost everyone going over in february is a reserve CA. 2007 hires.

Blackhawk 01-11-2019 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by PhantomHawk (Post 2741150)
The current seniority level going to UAL is middle of the pack. Almost everyone going over in february is a reserve CA. 2007 hires.

Still captains, meaning upgrades.

jacburn 01-11-2019 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by Blackhawk (Post 2741154)
Still captains, meaning upgrades.

Exactly what I said above is correct. The top of the CA list at XJT is stuck. That still continues to be a problem at expressjet.

I am so glad that you stopped in to the C5 thread to sell the expressjet stuff.

Blackhawk 01-11-2019 11:22 AM


Originally Posted by jacburn (Post 2741176)
Exactly what I said above is correct. The top of the CA list at XJT is stuck. That still continues to be a problem at expressjet.

I am so glad that you stopped in to the C5 thread to sell the expressjet stuff.

Pilots post on both sides. Or do you limit your posts to C5?
BTW, I am no longer at XJT, so unlike you I don't have any skin in this. Trying to give those asking an unbiased opinion.
Like I wrote above, I've been around long enough to have seen this before.
Unless a pilot is looking to be a "lifer" those at the very top of a list won't matter. What matters is being able to hold a line as a FO, upgrade, and hopefully hold a line as a captain. In the case of XJT there are more bases and larger aircraft coming online to entice senior pilots giving those who want the opportunity advancement.

watch 01-11-2019 01:32 PM

Thank you both for your input. One of my biggest takeaways from this thread is that C5 pilots are NOT saying “do not come here! You’re crazy considering this over XJT!”

Likewise, on the XJT thread most of the posting people at least seem hopeful that the future will not be more contraction or stagnation.

Basically it sounds like a toss up. I feel like commutair isn’t as flashy and the airport reserve will suck, but it’s the more conservative choice with existing growth and continuous movement in the entire seniority list.

Expressjet would probably be a great choice- better training (as I’ve heard), flights to Mexico, $15k more per year just starting out. But if it keeps contracting like it has been in 2018, it is the wrong choice. I would be putting at least some faith in the pilot group’s hope that things are going to get better.

I have a week or so to decide. Keep letting me know your thoughts. Thank you.

Blackhawk 01-11-2019 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by watch (Post 2741244)
Thank you both for your input. One of my biggest takeaways from this thread is that C5 pilots are NOT saying “do not come here! You’re crazy considering this over XJT!”

Likewise, on the XJT thread most of the posting people at least seem hopeful that the future will not be more contraction or stagnation.

Basically it sounds like a toss up. I feel like commutair isn’t as flashy and the airport reserve will suck, but it’s the more conservative choice with existing growth and continuous movement in the entire seniority list.

Expressjet would probably be a great choice- better training (as I’ve heard), flights to Mexico, $15k more per year just starting out. But if it keeps contracting like it has been in 2018, it is the wrong choice. I would be putting at least some faith in the pilot group’s hope that things are going to get better.

I have a week or so to decide. Keep letting me know your thoughts. Thank you.

That's about right. Both have advantages and disadvantages and either way you should be fine.
I will add that I don't think UAL just sank a bunch of money into XJT in order to contract it.

DownInPetaluma 01-11-2019 02:58 PM


Originally Posted by Blackhawk (Post 2741260)
That's about right. Both have advantages and disadvantages and either way you should be fine.
I will add that I don't think UAL just sank a bunch of money into XJT in order to contract it.

How much money was actually sunk, here. 70m (even if not split in two) is like a rounding error.

Blackhawk 01-11-2019 03:52 PM


Originally Posted by DownInPetaluma (Post 2741280)
How much money was actually sunk, here. 70m (even if not split in two) is like a rounding error.

$70m here, $70m there. Soon you're talking about real money. And that was just the acquisition cost.
They bought it for a reason. It would have been easy to have just let SkyWest shut XJT down. But UAL made a decision to not let that happen.


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