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Old 01-18-2019, 12:15 PM
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CPP. Our CPP guarantees us 10% of new hires at United, up to 10% of out seniority list. Assuming United doesn't quit hiring in 2019, we should send roughly 40 pilots via the CPP (10% of 400, which is what I think our seniority list will be able to grow to and remain at in 2019).
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Old 01-18-2019, 01:57 PM
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CPP. Our CPP guarantees us 10% of new hires at United, up to 10% of out seniority list. Assuming United doesn't quit hiring in 2019, we should send roughly 40 pilots via the CPP (10% of 400, which is what I think our seniority list will be able to grow to and remain at in 2019).
How does the movement from Commutair to United happen? Is it seniority based, based on when the interview at United occurred, or when the candidate reached 1000 hours?
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Old 01-18-2019, 02:10 PM
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How does the movement from Commutair to United happen? Is it seniority based, based on when the interview at United occurred, or when the candidate reached 1000 hours?
Seniority based as long as they have the 1000 hours. As soon as guys have been getting the 1000 hours or shortly after, they have been moving over to UA.
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Old 01-18-2019, 02:27 PM
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How does the movement from Commutair to United happen? Is it seniority based, based on when the interview at United occurred, or when the candidate reached 1000 hours?
It is seniority based. But as jacburn said we don't have a ton of people that meet the requirements and are waiting in line to go. So basically as soon as people meet the requirements (1000 PIC at CommutAir and a 4 year degree) they are gone to United. But, yes, someone could jump ahead of you if they are more senior and are successful in their second interview attempt. I hope that helps.
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Old 01-18-2019, 04:45 PM
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It is seniority based. But as jacburn said we don't have a ton of people that meet the requirements and are waiting in line to go. So basically as soon as people meet the requirements (1000 PIC at CommutAir and a 4 year degree) they are gone to United. But, yes, someone could jump ahead of you if they are more senior and are successful in their second interview attempt. I hope that helps.
Seems like this makes it a bad deal for a street captain.
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Old 01-19-2019, 09:09 AM
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Seems like this makes it a bad deal for a street captain.
I wouldn't say it is a bad deal. There are pilots that are staying at CommutAir until retirement, pilots that were unsuccessful on the Hogan/interview twice, pilots that have no desire to participate in the CPP, pilots that don't have the requirements met (mainly 4 year degree), plus plenty that go to other carriers. I think the days of someone getting hired and being at United in 2 years are gone, but 3-4 years is realistic and not bad at all.
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Old 01-19-2019, 09:56 AM
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When I check out Commutair on flightaware.com, it shows 7 flights. Expressjet has 36.

This morning the ratio was about the same - 6 for commutair, 31 for expressjet.

So consistently about 5 times as many airborne flights for Expressjet than there are for commutair. Of note, the seniority roster at Expressjet is about 4 times the size (1400/360 = 3.88)

1) Does this show that Expressjet pilots fly 25% more? Or is this related to longer flights?
2) Skywest has 158 flights airborne right now. Their seniority list is 12.2 times the size of Commutair, but have 22.5 times as many airplanes airborne right now. (3.14 times the size of XJT and 4.4 times as many flights).

Is Commutair flying that much less per pilot than Expressjet and Skywest? What am I missing?

Edit: I also got an offer from Skywest. So I'm trying to decide between Commutair, Expressjet, and Skywest. Keep changing my mind each day.
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Old 01-19-2019, 10:36 AM
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When I check out Commutair on flightaware.com, it shows 7 flights. Expressjet has 36.

This morning the ratio was about the same - 6 for commutair, 31 for expressjet.

So consistently about 5 times as many airborne flights for Expressjet than there are for commutair. Of note, the seniority roster at Expressjet is about 4 times the size (1400/360 = 3.88)

1) Does this show that Expressjet pilots fly 25% more? Or is this related to longer flights?
2) Skywest has 158 flights airborne right now. Their seniority list is 12.2 times the size of Commutair, but have 22.5 times as many airplanes airborne right now. (3.14 times the size of XJT and 4.4 times as many flights).

Is Commutair flying that much less per pilot than Expressjet and Skywest? What am I missing?

Edit: I also got an offer from Skywest. So I'm trying to decide between Commutair, Expressjet, and Skywest. Keep changing my mind each day.
You want to go to whoever has the most growth coming and who is seeing investment from a mainline carrier, that leaves you with C5 and XJT to choose. SkyWest is pretty much tapped out and is seeing upgrade and reserve times go up.

C5 is adding more 145s, for a total of like 60. They have about 32 or so 145s and definitely going through growing pains. C5 CPP is 10%.

XJT is now the highest compensated regional first year FO.
Signed contracts with United for 171 airframes over the last 1.5 years.
XJT is right under 100 145s, adding back in up to 126.
XJT is also adding a total of 20 CRJ200s .
XJT is adding 25 E175s starting in April, with rumored 25 more coming.
XJT CPP is 25%.
Way better training at XJT and way more efficient opperation.
Better contract.

I see XJT as United's Envoy, and C5 like United's Peidmont. It's your career but to me the choice is clear.
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That’s a great way to put it - the Envoy and Piedmont analogy. Except that Envoy is overgrown and reserve FOs are getting 20-30 hours a month. Expressjet has been shrinking but that looks like it’s turning around starting soon.
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That’s a great way to put it - the Envoy and Piedmont analogy. Except that Envoy is overgrown and reserve FOs are getting 20-30 hours a month. Expressjet has been shrinking but that looks like it’s turning around starting soon.
Right, what I mean is XJT is where Envoy was a couple years ago.
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