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will i be refurloughed now or laid off with everyone when they close us down?

stay healthy, happy, and home

Don't put too much into this in the near term. There is too much unknown right now.

That being said, Kirby was a huge proponent of 50 seat aircraft at AA and until a month ago, at UA as well. UA accelerated the retirement of the Dash 8’s by a year due to customer attitude toward them and operational challenges (weight restrictions,etc.) and sped up our implementation of the 145. Which went poorly.

I wouldn’t count us out yet, I also don’t think C5 or XJT survive as separate entities when this is all over, if at all. But its all speculation on my part.
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With the load averages in the teens at best on most domestic routes it seems foolish to me to fly anything bigger than a 50 seater right now so I find it stupid Kirby would be suggesting parking 50 seaters now or during a recovery. When topped off the XR has has enough range to make it nearly half way across the country, and it certainly costs a hell of a lot less to run and staff than that 737-8 I saw arrive at EWR from LAX the other day....with 2 people aboard.
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Yep.. Makes no sence. What replace it with a 737? Even a emb175 wont make much sence most of the time you would think.
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Quote: With the load averages in the teens at best on most domestic routes it seems foolish to me to fly anything bigger than a 50 seater right now so I find it stupid Kirby would be suggesting parking 50 seaters now or during a recovery. When topped off the XR has has enough range to make it nearly half way across the country, and it certainly costs a hell of a lot less to run and staff than that 737-8 I saw arrive at EWR from LAX the other day....with 2 people aboard.
Its called “scope” and be thankful we gave it at UA. Unless you want to continue being paid a C scale wage flying larger aircraft
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Quote: With the load averages in the teens at best on most domestic routes it seems foolish to me to fly anything bigger than a 50 seater right now so I find it stupid Kirby would be suggesting parking 50 seaters now or during a recovery. When topped off the XR has has enough range to make it nearly half way across the country, and it certainly costs a hell of a lot less to run and staff than that 737-8 I saw arrive at EWR from LAX the other day....with 2 people aboard.
read up on Scope.....the vast majority of UAX flying has to be within 900 mile stage lengths. Also, the ratio to narrow body can’t be flying only RJs.
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Quote: read up on Scope.....the vast majority of UAX flying has to be within 900 mile stage lengths. Also, the ratio to narrow body can’t be flying only RJs.
“force majeure”
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Quote: “force majeure”
yeah.....Consider that phrase a nuclear bomb. It’s in their arsenal but use it more as a deterrent. Kirby has zero interest in nuking the the mechanics, flight attendants, pilots, dispatchers.....etc just to save 20 year old POS aircraft that passengers HATE. Why destroy your company to save a small company that flies outdated expensive aircraft?
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Quote: yeah.....Consider that phrase a nuclear bomb. It’s in their arsenal but use it more as a deterrent. Kirby has zero interest in nuking the the mechanics, flight attendants, pilots, dispatchers.....etc just to save 20 year old POS aircraft that passengers HATE. Why destroy your company to save a small company that flies outdated expensive aircraft?
Scope already allows plenty of 50 seaters. How would he even need to drop a “nuclear bomb” as you say to keep them?

United has the least amount of large RJ’s (170/175’s). If anything he would need scope relief on those in order to put them on 319/920 and 737 routes that have low load factor presently.

Or am I missing something more obvious?
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Quote: Scope already allows plenty of 50 seaters. How would he even need to drop a “nuclear bomb” as you say to keep them?

United has the least amount of large RJ’s (170/175’s). If anything he would need scope relief on those in order to put them on 319/920 and 737 routes that have low load factor presently.

Or am I missing something more obvious?
you missed a couple quotes. A poster suggested flying 50 seaters half way across the country. Scope prevents that
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These POS planes are not expensive. They are fully owned and with gas prices low like they have been (and will be for a while to come) are cheap to run. Not as cheap as a TP but that is another story.

Many thinner routes simply can't support a larger aircraft. Not everyone is connecting to an International flight which will offset the cost.

Say you service Buffalo six times a day with a 50 seat jet to your NYC hub. You cut that to 2 flights a day in a 73 (morning and evening because it's now flown by United Mainline only). Your competition still does 6 flights a day in a 50 seater with a departure time that suits you. Bam, customer lost.

People will forgo comfort for convenience more than you think.
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