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flynd94 , 01-14-2021 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Claxstarr

Also forgot to mention that a large portion of OO’s -200 flying is EAS routes that Skywest owns, not UA.
That would RUIN UA’s feeder route structure for its hubs.
I’m sure DL/AA/AS/WN would love to pick up those gates/routes and put them under their banners.

Does OO own any Gates in the UA system. Looking at financial documents it’s only DAL.

remember you are never to big to fail. OO is a subcontractor, pure and simple. Keep you EAS routes. What’s the CASM/RASM if your a stand alone carrier?

#32

Hawker445 , 01-14-2021 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by flynd94

Certainly that might ring true, but notice there aren't nearly as many regional companies competing for contracts as there was 10 years ago.

To drop OO, and give that to another bottom feeder with not that much cash on hand, and no ownership of their aircraft, would mean a huge chunk of money from mainline. And United has made it blatantly obvious they don't want to do that....(again)

#33

Flydafe , 01-14-2021 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Claxstarr

Thanks for the good laugh this morning!

Let’s war game this. United comes out with a policy saying they’re going to consolidate all UAX flying to their exclusive carriers.

Whiskey flies 64 RJ200’s with 500 pilots
CommuteAir flies 38 E145’s with <500 pilots
GoJet flies like 54 550’s with <600 pilots.

***For the sake of your fantasy argument, let’s say AA removes the remaining Mesa CRJ flying (which was just reduced and AA will probably take another 20 out soon) and UA offers Mesa a spot at the “exclusive UAX” table.***
So now..
Mesa flies 76 E175’s. (46 UA owned) with 1400 pilots
Mesa flies 20 RJ700s (these are going away 1:1 when the remaining 46 UA owned 175’s come online)

Republic flies 66 E175’s (13 UA owned) with 2500 pilots (Approx 30% of YX’s fleet)
SkyWest flies 90 175’s (25 UA owned but I think OO is taking ownership of these 25 as well) + 19 RJ700’s + 143 RJ200’s
... with 5300 pilots. (Approx. 30% of OO’s fleet not including the planes all leased out by SkyWest Inc. (550’s etc) )

Alsoooo SkyWest is still taking delivery of more than 100 E175’s over the next 2 years.

For historical info... About 18 months ago when UA kicked off 50 OO owned, they came back 2 months later begging to have them back, but by that time they were already contracted to AA.

**Now remember that SkyWest just bought all of the RJ550’s that GoJet/UA flies so SkyWest essentially owns GoJet’s entire fleet of 550’s

**Let’s also remember that UA/ManaAir still has not paid SkyWest $35 million for the sale of ExpressJet

**Let’s also remember that UA still has a multi-hundred million dollar loan outstanding with SkyWest Inc.

So now after all that.. let’s continue to wargame.
UA kicks YX and OO to the curb in order to consolidate all flying to UAX exclusive partners.

I can guarantee that SkyWest Inc. would take back every single 550 from G7 as a consequence for UA cutting all flying from OO.
This would immediately cause G7 to be out of business overnight with all 600 pilots on the street.
SkyWest Inc. would undoubtedly immediately call the $200+ million and $35 million debt of UA.

That leaves UA with a grand total of 64 200’s, 38 145’s, and 89 175’s with a combined 2400 pilots to fly their entire UAX system.
That’s 190 planes and 2400 pilots to cover all the UAX flying.

They would have removed 360 planes and 3500 pilots from their UAX System.

So.... I really doubt that UA is going to remove 65% of their UAX fleet to “consolidate”.

If a company declares bankruptcy do they still owe the debts? If not then United could have an ace up their sleeve for the restructuring. Also could bankruptcy effect scope?

#34

TransWorld , 01-14-2021 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Flydafe

If a company declares bankruptcy do they still owe the debts? If not then United could have an ace up their sleeve for the restructuring. Also could bankruptcy effect scope?

Chapter 11 Restructure. Company reorganizes and keeps as a going business. Still owes debts? Maybe. Sometimes partial debt converts to a new Class of stock ownership. Some cases the debt is pushed out a few years. Or it is partly written down (you now have 70 cents on the dollar). Anything you can dream up that parties agree to can be the result. Oh, of course union contracts can be opened for pay cuts.

Chapter 7 Liquidation. Company goes out of business. Assets (such as planes) are divided up between creditors. There can be senior creditors that get money first. There can be debts secured by specific aircraft, for example. But at the end of the day, creditors get partial payments. Stock holders usually get zero. Turn out the lights.

#35

DropYourSocks , 01-14-2021 09:24 PM

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Doesn't mainline have their own forum around here somewhere? Oh well, you guys are welcome anytime to hang out in our small pond 😉

#36

dhc8guru , 01-15-2021 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by amcnd

yes. All the weird rules.. company has to pay for your health care, you get California FMLA. Better rules. More cost for the company.. Company paid expensive parking, list goes on and on.. I'm shocked OO still has a base there and doesn’t shift it to out station bases...

Great point. I agree with not understanding the desire to be based anywhere in California. Skywest really doesn't have many inexpensive bases to live in. Off the top of my head Dallas, Phoenix and Houston are probably the cheapest. Minneapolis and Detroit were reasonable but those bases have been heavily chopped down for crews. Don't think Denver is cheap, OK apartments are $2k a month.

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KelvinHelmholtz , 01-15-2021 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by dhc8guru

Chicago and Boise are both pretty affordable.

#38

moflyer , 01-15-2021 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by amcnd

For years OO ran SFO as a small reserve only base for the CRJ and EMB-120. There were around 4 people in each seat in the base, it was the same way in LAX as well. There were tons of little bases, all over California. SkyWest opened SFO knowing what it was going to cost them to run it as a big base. There were tons of SFO overnights, it’s where the koi pond incident happened as well as the glass elevators.

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brocklee9000 , 01-15-2021 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by moflyer

We were just talking about the koi pond today during a sit. I'm not familiar with the elevator though. Care to share? PM if necessary?

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FAR121 , 01-15-2021 09:17 PM

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By koi pond do you mean similar to the Michael Scott koi pond incident?