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Old 05-04-2021, 02:55 PM
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“Exception one: If the Company establishes a fleet of new small narrowbody aircraft (this is referring to the 717), the number of permitted 76-seat aircraft may increase on a one 76-seat aircraft for each one and one quarter new small narrowbody aircraft (1:1.25) ratio (rounded to the closest integer) up to a total of 223 76-seat aircraft. In the event more than 153 76-seat aircraft are in operation, then on January 1, 2014, and each succeeding January 1 thereafter, the Company will implement its plan to reduce the number of 50-seat aircraft in operation below 348 (the number of 50-seat aircraft in operations as of July 1, 2012) rounded to the closest integer.

Note one: Upon the delivery of a 223rd 76-seat aircraft, the number of permitted 50-seat aircraft will be 125 regardless of the number otherwise provided in Section 1b. 47. e. Exception one”
Thanks for posting the text. I am still struggling to see how replacing DC9s 1 for 1 with 717s is "introducing a new narrow body type" but it seems to be the case.

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Old 05-04-2021, 03:18 PM
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Thanks for posting the text. I am still struggling to see how replacing DC9s 1 for 1 with 717s is "introducing a new narrow body type" but it seems to be the case.

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DC9 to 717 definitely was not a 1 for 1 replacement. The only DC-9s Delta had left at the time of signing the 2012 contract were a relatively small number of DC-9-50s with 125 seats (same as an A319).
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Old 05-05-2021, 08:04 AM
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If I worked at Delta I wouldn't be hanging around a United regional website. You obviously don't work for them either.

So post some evidence or let it go.
that’s right I don’t work at DAL but I do work at UA. I am an Aviate mentor and have friends at C5
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So Delta inherited a bunch of DC9s from Northwest, flew some for a while then swapped them for 717s. So I guess it was fleet expansion. Thanks for setting me straight.
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The 717 was a DC9 replacement. It wasn't fleet expansion so no extra RJs.
You are absolutely incorrect. The 717 deal more than doubled what was the DC-9 fleet at the peak of the NW/DL merger. It allowed DAL to increase its 76 seat fleet substantially.
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You are absolutely incorrect. The 717 deal more than doubled what was the DC-9 fleet at the peak of the NW/DL merger. It allowed DAL to increase its 76 seat fleet substantially.
Those extra 76 seat aircraft paired with the 717, and now 220’s, have placed Delta in a position to announce that all 50 seat aircraft will be gone by 2023, however United has declined to exercise the same option to free up more big rj’s. Kirby wants them without the expense of adding another SNB. It should be interesting to see how he plans to compete when scope is maxed out and the competition has a superior product.
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Those extra 76 seat aircraft paired with the 717, and now 220’s, have placed Delta in a position to announce that all 50 seat aircraft will be gone by 2023, however United has declined to exercise the same option to free up more big rj’s. Kirby wants them without the expense of adding another SNB. It should be interesting to see how he plans to compete when scope is maxed out and the competition has a superior product.
kirby wants to eat the cake and have it too. You cannot blame him for trying.

and who knows what TI is cooking up. Maybe first class DH for life to give up scope - sarcasm.
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kirby wants to eat the cake and have it too. You cannot blame him for trying.

and who knows what TI is cooking up. Maybe first class DH for life to give up scope - sarcasm.
TI is about to sell the family farm out from under everyone else, but don't worry one bit, he's gonna get that coveted jumpseat priority on SkyWest for you guys that he failed to get last time.
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Originally Posted by climb150 View Post
Thanks for posting the text. I am still struggling to see how replacing DC9s 1 for 1 with 717s is "introducing a new narrow body type" but it seems to be the case.

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Thats because there were only a handful of DC-9s during the NW/DL merger. The 717 came well after the 2012 contract signing and the merger which unlocked the additional large RJ scope. In my opinion, a move has positioned DL well against its competitors and benefited DL mainline pilots (except for their JV issues).
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