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Average days off on reserve and line?
Just looking for some averages on days off on reserve and the line? Specially at EWR?
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Reserve gets 11 days off...no more than that. Most FO lines are getting 14 to 17 off
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EWR FO here. Just a sample of the last few months:
July: 71 hours, 18 days off Aug: 76 hours with 14 days off Sep: 78 hours with 14 days off Oct: 74 hours and 16 days off Nov: 71 hours and 16 days off Note that I bid min credit for a variety of reasons and for all months other than November the lower bound of the credit window was 70 hours (5 hours lower than guarantee). As of November the lower bound is 65 as crew planning is trying to get lines for as many of the FOs as possible. |
EWR Captain here...
Just a sampling of the last few months... 11-13days off (some are one day at a time between trips). 19-17 days on 1-3 commuter rooms I had to buy each month because scheduling couldn't/wouldn't give me a commuter room (b/c "they were sold out") or bc I had used all 4 per month. Extended 1-2 times per month 3 fatigue calls since Feb IOE in Feb...held a line since June 2 X standups so far despite bidding against them each month... Only 2 sick calls per year (rolling) before the discpline starts...read the appendix to the Employee Handbook. Wonder what the FAA would think..... |
Originally Posted by DashDude
(Post 2909327)
Only 2 sick calls per year (rolling) before the discpline starts...read the appendix to the Employee Handbook. Wonder what the FAA would think.....
Originally Posted by DashDude
(Post 2909327)
1-3 commuter rooms I had to buy each month because scheduling couldn't/wouldn't give me a commuter room (b/c "they were sold out") or bc I had used all 4 per month.
Reservists get 11 days off and work the rest of the month. I tell reservists to pick their 11 days off and just expect to work the rest of the month, usually works well as long as there's no holidays or scheduling strangeness. As a line holder, expect to get 13-16 days off. More if you are an FO that isn't needed right now. Less if you're a low seniority CA. As a mid level CA, it's easy for me to get ~14 days off a month. I sometimes get extended, but that's usually for an extra turn/overnight and then i'm done after that. No full 3-5 leg days during an extension. Plus there's a ton of 300% going around for the asking if you want to make great pay and build some of that 121 TPIC. |
How easy is it for EWR line holding FO's to fly on days off simply for straight pay?
While not nearly as good a deal as CA's getting 200-300%, its still extra $$ and hours towards upgrading. |
Originally Posted by Bahamasflyer
(Post 2909723)
How easy is it for EWR line holding FO's to fly on days off simply for straight pay?
While not nearly as good a deal as CA's getting 200-300%, its still extra $$ and hours towards upgrading. |
Originally Posted by DashDude
(Post 2909327)
EWR Captain here...
Just a sampling of the last few months... 11-13days off (some are one day at a time between trips). 19-17 days on 1-3 commuter rooms I had to buy each month because scheduling couldn't/wouldn't give me a commuter room (b/c "they were sold out") or bc I had used all 4 per month. Extended 1-2 times per month 3 fatigue calls since Feb IOE in Feb...held a line since June 2 X standups so far despite bidding against them each month... Only 2 sick calls per year (rolling) before the discpline starts...read the appendix to the Employee Handbook. Wonder what the FAA would think..... Do you put as a top tier preference a minimum of days off in a row? Example: max six days on and min 2 days off? Or do you not bid for days in a row off? (I know as a commuter, days off in blocks is important, not so much if one lives in base....ala Allegiant) |
Originally Posted by MaxQ
(Post 2909963)
I mean this as an honest question. I am not busting your chops.
Do you put as a top tier preference a minimum of days off in a row? Example: max six days on and min 2 days off? Or do you not bid for days in a row off? (I know as a commuter, days off in blocks is important, not so much if one lives in base....ala Allegiant) That said, we are seriously short captains at the moment so captains are definitely being ridden hard and put away wet here. So anything is possible I suppose. The upside? 300% nearly daily for captains, or so it seems. Some captains are really cleaning up at the moment. Wish I was one of them. |
Originally Posted by njd1
(Post 2910085)
As an FO I specifically add a condition in the bid for a minimum of two days off between trips and also explicitly avoid split duty (stand ups) as well as one particular airport in our route structure that has a reputation for being a career-ender, at least in the winter. I've never received a bid counter to this so PBS works as intended.
That said, we are seriously short captains at the moment so captains are definitely being ridden hard and put away wet here. So anything is possible I suppose. The upside? 300% nearly daily for captains, or so it seems. Some captains are really cleaning up at the moment. Wish I was one of them. |
Originally Posted by Bahamasflyer
(Post 2910156)
PQI by any chance? Or somewhere else?
Couple weeks back I was in the hotel van with one of our senior captains and he was talking to a former C5 guy and friend who was now at mainline. PQI came up and our captain said he refuses to go in there anymore because PQI management outright lies about the state of the runway to save money. He said they always report 5/5/5 when the runway clearly hasn't been plowed recently and it's more like 3/3/3. One day he said he almost went off the end because of this. He went to the airport manager's office to complain and overheard some guy there saying that it costs them $7000 every time they plow the runway and they don't have the money for it. Uhhhh, to that I say, if you want airline service to your podunk town, you plow the f'ing runway every 5 minutes as far as I'm concerned. I don't care if your town goes bankrupt. Otherwise, you can drive your a$$ to EWR. I will avoid that place like an ebola outbreak until I leave C5. If you go in there as CA or FO, you put your entire future at risk. Funny how the MEC scheduling committee email that just came out today mentions PQI as the top bid avoid. |
Originally Posted by njd1
(Post 2910445)
Yea, PQI. What else.
Couple weeks back I was in the hotel van with one of our senior captains and he was talking to a former C5 guy and friend who was now at mainline. PQI came up and our captain said he refuses to go in there anymore because PQI management outright lies about the state of the runway to save money. He said they always report 5/5/5 when the runway clearly hasn't been plowed recently and it's more like 3/3/3. One day he said he almost went off the end because of this. He went to the airport manager's office to complain and overheard some guy there saying that it costs them $7000 every time they plow the runway and they don't have the money for it. Uhhhh, to that I say, if you want airline service to your podunk town, you plow the f'ing runway every 5 minutes as far as I'm concerned. I don't care if your town goes bankrupt. Otherwise, you can drive your a$$ to EWR. I will avoid that place like an ebola outbreak until I leave C5. If you go in there as CA or FO, you put your entire future at risk. Funny how the MEC scheduling committee email that just came out today mentions PQI as the top bid avoid. |
Originally Posted by MaxQ
(Post 2910523)
Did the Capt. ASAP it?
Between the lack of ACARS and this runway plowing horsesh!t I maintain I want nothing to do with PQI. I'd rather go to Chicago, and that's really saying something because I think Chicago is hell on earth, particularly in winter. But at least they have ACARS and know how to plow a f'ing runway. |
I hope you are not suggesting the crash you had in PQI was because of airport management?
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Originally Posted by dera
(Post 2910742)
I hope you are not suggesting the crash you had in PQI was because of airport management?
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Originally Posted by dera
(Post 2910742)
I hope you are not suggesting the crash you had in PQI was because of airport management?
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Originally Posted by njd1
(Post 2910531)
No idea. What I did hear is that the FAA is aware of the issues up there and are investigating. Whether that ultimately results in some well-deserved b!tch-slapping of PQI personnel or translates into increased safety is anyone's guess.
Between the lack of ACARS and this runway plowing horsesh!t I maintain I want nothing to do with PQI. I'd rather go to Chicago, and that's really saying something because I think Chicago is hell on earth, particularly in winter. But at least they have ACARS and know how to plow a f'ing runway. Landing Runway 1 with 3/3/3 if on speed and on glide slope with the use of T/Rs on what is an upsloping runway should not result in an overrun. Not having ACARS is a laughable reason. Do you think pilots across the world avoid airports because they don’t have ACARS? Manage the risk properly. That’s essentially what we’re paid to do. |
Originally Posted by njd1
(Post 2910085)
As an FO I specifically add a condition in the bid for a minimum of two days off between trips and also explicitly avoid split duty (stand ups) as well as one particular airport in our route structure that has a reputation for being a career-ender, at least in the winter. I've never received a bid counter to this so PBS works as intended.
That said, we are seriously short captains at the moment so captains are definitely being ridden hard and put away wet here. So anything is possible I suppose. The upside? 300% nearly daily for captains, or so it seems. Some captains are really cleaning up at the moment. Wish I was one of them. I hope you, and anyone else reading it for that matter, take this in the spirit intended. Upgrade comes fast. Regardless of ones background, use the time as an F.O. to bid and fly some of that which you consider more challenging. Be it operational, runways, approaches, terrain...whatever. Hand fly most, in fact nearly all, approaches, whether IMC or VMC. Don't avoid aspects that seem more challenging..seek them out. Then reflect on what was done and what you can do better. (in short, do an occasional self debrief) If you are flying with a Captain you think receptive to such things, use some of the legs to go into, or clarify, systems, AOM/GOM, working with ATC, dispatch, and the stations. Traps to watch out for. Maybe even their general philosophies on how it is we do what we do. Get as confident as you can during this period so it doesn't seem as daunting later when you are the Captain with a brand new F.O. next to you. It is more likely you will then find the upgrade process and being a new Captain satisfying and even somewhat fun, as opposed to stressful. Most of us got into this business because we wished to be excellent pilots and airmen. Everything else flows from that. I know this sounds all somewhat pompous. Take what, if anything, that rings true for you. Ignore what doesn't. Cheers! |
Originally Posted by njd1
(Post 2910915)
What I'm suggesting is what I said. The airport management doesn't want to keep the airport prepared for winter operations and so anyone who goes there is putting their career at risk. You are the only one talking about the crash here.
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