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ReadOnly7 08-04-2020 07:10 PM


Originally Posted by njd1 (Post 3105107)
I’m sure the company will welcome as many experienced E145 pilots as practical since it will reduce our training costs. A current pilot with an unrestricted type rating in the 145 is just an indoc class and PC away from being on the line....

I don’t think it’s quite that simple. Having a type rating in the 145 will make training much more likely to be smooth, but I don’t think you can just skip the whole training footprint because you have a type. I’m sure the C5 SOPs are slightly different than other carriers. Maybe I’m wrong.

njd1 08-04-2020 07:28 PM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 3105105)
you think United shut down ExpressJet just to grow? C’mon man.

Prior to COVID C5 had around 10K block hours and XJT around 35K. Right now we have 2500 and XJT has 5000. Based on the predicted schedules for September and beyond it’s fair to say C5 will have to hire to fill XJT’s shoes even if E145 flying schedules are reduced overall.

njd1 08-04-2020 07:37 PM


Originally Posted by ReadOnly7 (Post 3105112)
I don’t think it’s quite that simple. Having a type rating in the 145 will make training much more likely to be smooth, but I don’t think you can just skip the whole training footprint because you have a type. I’m sure the C5 SOPs are slightly different than other carriers. Maybe I’m wrong.

I didn’t say they could skip the entire training footprint. But per our APD a current and unrestricted type rating only requires a PC at least as far as the FAA is concerned, whereas if you still have the 25 hour limitation when you jump ship to another company you will be required to take the entire type rating course. Needless to say, when I found out about this and before I knew which company would be victorious I made a point of tracking down one of our APDs and submitting the necessary paperwork to eliminate the restriction and get a new temp certificate with the limitation removed.

rickair7777 08-04-2020 07:42 PM


Originally Posted by ReadOnly7 (Post 3105112)
I don’t think it’s quite that simple. Having a type rating in the 145 will make training much more likely to be smooth, but I don’t think you can just skip the whole training footprint because you have a type. I’m sure the C5 SOPs are slightly different than other carriers. Maybe I’m wrong.

Yes, the 121 regs allow for a short course for this situation. Basically indoc, a few sims for company specific flows/procedures and a ride IIRC.

It's not automatically available, the carrier has to apply and get it approved but it would be more than worth the modest effort for the cost savings if you expect to hire numerous current pilots.

MasterOfPuppets 08-04-2020 08:13 PM


Originally Posted by njd1 (Post 3105120)
Prior to COVID C5 had around 10K block hours and XJT around 35K. Right now we have 2500 and XJT has 5000. Based on the predicted schedules for September and beyond it’s fair to say C5 will have to hire to fill XJT’s shoes even if E145 flying schedules are reduced overall.

ok.....good luck on your upgrade.

tonsterboy5 08-04-2020 08:55 PM


Originally Posted by njd1 (Post 3105120)
Prior to COVID C5 had around 10K block hours and XJT around 35K. Right now we have 2500 and XJT has 5000. Based on the predicted schedules for September and beyond it’s fair to say C5 will have to hire to fill XJT’s shoes even if E145 flying schedules are reduced overall.

So C5 was staffed for 10k hours and now between C5 and Xjet there is 7500 hours and you think that there will need to be hiring? Assuming none of Xjet flying goes to G7 OO or ZW, you still have enough people to staff it all.

Tom Bradys Cat 08-05-2020 01:31 AM


Originally Posted by tonsterboy5 (Post 3105165)
So C5 was staffed for 10k hours and now between C5 and Xjet there is 7500 hours and you think that there will need to be hiring? Assuming none of Xjet flying goes to G7 OO or ZW, you still have enough people to staff it all.


Yer.....I'm thinking the same..... not much faith in the organizations planning ability.

McGpilot 08-05-2020 03:06 AM


Originally Posted by tonsterboy5 (Post 3105165)
So C5 was staffed for 10k hours and now between C5 and Xjet there is 7500 hours and you think that there will need to be hiring? Assuming none of Xjet flying goes to G7 OO or ZW, you still have enough people to staff it all.

Block hours today are not equivalent to pre covid block hours. Today's flying is much less efficient requiring more crews and aircraft per block hour.

njd1 08-05-2020 03:06 AM


Originally Posted by tonsterboy5 (Post 3105165)
So C5 was staffed for 10k hours and now between C5 and Xjet there is 7500 hours and you think that there will need to be hiring? Assuming none of Xjet flying goes to G7 OO or ZW, you still have enough people to staff it all.

I can’t give specifics because they’re considered proprietary information but increases in flying are coming and I will say that our management appears to be more concerned with coming up short on labor to execute the contract vs being over staffed. The flying is ours to lose.

dovic91 08-05-2020 05:18 AM

If you guys do expand and plan to hire former XJT pilots, it would be wise to stay away from the very senior guys over there. Good pilots, but most of them are former ASA guys who like to **** and moan about everything. I can understand their frustrations given all they have been through, but it makes for a long trip sitting next to someone like that all day!


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