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Originally Posted by Tom Bradys Cat
(Post 3105971)
Anyway......over the next several years what is stopping C5 just swapping aircraft? I don't see the argument behind c55 has 145s....145s may be dead. Ergo c5 IS dead.
Errrrr.... get different aircraft. C5 even has years of prior notice |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 3106004)
Entirely likely, the pilot group is very junior so plenty of runway in the normal regional life cycle.
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Originally Posted by Tom Bradys Cat
(Post 3106008)
What do you mean?
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Originally Posted by dmspilot
(Post 3105857)
Lots of stuff wrong in your post, you clearly don't work for C5.
Dont get me wrong C5 can survive but not under a 145 fleet long term. They would need to remain up to speed with their competitors. And if you have rode on a 550 compared to a 145 you would understand why they are going to be phased out. My whole argument was the idea of C5 moving into YX, YV, or OOs bases that currently are over staffed themselves and have plenty of planes is kinda funny. As well as getting all of xjt leftover flying. That will be divided amongst all survivors. So Im just stating that the original poster needs to pump the brakes on this hiring and adding bases stuff. Instead he should count his blessing that C5 will probably survive for a couple more years and hope things change fast. |
Originally Posted by point80
(Post 3106016)
Love for you to explain to me what I said was incorrect. And drop the data in with your statement that proves me wrong.
Dont get me wrong C5 can survive but not under a 145 fleet long term. They would need to remain up to speed with their competitors. And if you have rode on a 550 compared to a 145 you would understand why they are going to be phased out. My whole argument was the idea of C5 moving into YX, YV, or OOs bases that currently are over staffed themselves and have plenty of planes is kinda funny. As well as getting all of xjt leftover flying. That will be divided amongst all survivors. So Im just stating that the original poster needs to pump the brakes on this hiring and adding bases stuff. Instead he should count his blessing that C5 will probably survive for a couple more years and hope things change fast. Yep.....they said it. Will it happen? We shall see. |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 3106004)
Entirely likely, the pilot group is very junior so plenty of runway in the normal regional life cycle.
Now whether we actually get new aircraft or are given the boot by UAL in a couple years is anyone's guess. My intuition, however, based on several town hall meetings, is that our management team has a very good rapport with UAL, and when things do come back, and that 40% ownership is producing profit rather than loss, I surmise we'll get new aircraft. Oh, and we got another 700 block hours including some time back in EWR in September. Not great, but upward is better than downward. |
Originally Posted by njd1
(Post 3106024)
I don't think this is revealing much so I'll just say it -- this is already on our management's radar. It was one of many contingency plans they investigated in case what Kirby said in March regarding the decommissioning of 145s was 100% true and we would be on the chopping block in short order.
Now whether we actually get new aircraft or are given the boot by UAL in a couple years is anyone's guess. My intuition, however, based on several town hall meetings, is that our management team has a very good rapport with UAL, and when things do come back, and that 40% ownership is producing profit rather than loss, I surmise we'll get new aircraft. Oh, and we got another 700 block hours including some time back in EWR in September. Not great, but upward is better than downward. I hope more flying comes back to you guys, as well as everyone else. Dont want to see pilots on the street. A surplus hurts even the survivors bc then without a shortage we have nothing to bargain for better contracts. That hurts mainline as much as RJs. |
Originally Posted by njd1
(Post 3105991)
I don't have a copy of the contract handy but I do know for a fact that C5 pilots can return with prior seniority if they come back within a certain time -- six months rings a bell...not sure if that's correct...might be 90 days. We've had a few come back already when UAL classes were cancelled back in March.
LOA 3 is in effect indefinitely and covers 120 day employment leave. Pilots retain seniority, but do not accrue any more seniority or longevity while on employment leave. A pilot will not come back at their old seniority, but but be slotted in x number of days down, depending on how long you were out for. LOA 4 is in effect until the end of August, it is what covers the captain retention bonus, first officer dash captain pay rates, and extends LOA 3 protections out to 1 year, at the company's discretion. This was set to expire in December of last year, the second extension, for 6 months, was signed at the end of February this year. Arguably, getting the extra 6 months on this LOA out of the company as COVID was spooling up was a pretty good deal. |
Originally Posted by point80
(Post 3106016)
Love for you to explain to me what I said was incorrect. And drop the data in with your statement that proves me wrong.
Dont get me wrong C5 can survive but not under a 145 fleet long term. They would need to remain up to speed with their competitors. And if you have rode on a 550 compared to a 145 you would understand why they are going to be phased out. My whole argument was the idea of C5 moving into YX, YV, or OOs bases that currently are over staffed themselves and have plenty of planes is kinda funny. As well as getting all of xjt leftover flying. That will be divided amongst all survivors. So Im just stating that the original poster needs to pump the brakes on this hiring and adding bases stuff. Instead he should count his blessing that C5 will probably survive for a couple more years and hope things change fast. About the future of the 145, you may be right. But maybe not. They said the same thing in the late 2000s with the oil price spike and then the recession. Ten years later airlines were pulling 145s and even 135s back out of the desert up until the pandemic happened. No one has a crystal ball. |
A lot of guys appear to be on this forum that don't belong to C5 again. Please stop posting stuff that you don't have a clue about. Like the idiot that promises we have to hire UA pilots. Read your UA contract or have someone help you read it because that LOA does NOT apply to C5. I can't believe I am saying this, but ReadOnly7 is correct. We will probably hire UA furloughed guys anyway.
Also, we have one C5 pilot on here that has been running his mouth that has no clue what he is talking about as well. The sad thing is he has already been told to shut up by several C5 pilots because he has no clue what he is talking about in this thread. We do not currently have any fast track program for 145 typed pilots. That is all I will say for now. |
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