Compass Reserve; Anything and Everything
05-21-2017, 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by N200NN
When people ask when was the last time I flew...
I've been on Reserve for 8 months. Did most of it in MSP. Then I came to LAX and the past two months have been LCR and a build-up. Finally have a line in June. Should come down now that we are hiring and upgrading again. MSP displacement shouldn't have a big effect as long as block hours stay the same and we continue with the hiring/upgrading.
05-21-2017, 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by VIRotate
This! Poor SEA and MSP guys.
I've been on Reserve for 8 months. Did most of it in MSP. Then I came to LAX and the past two months have been LCR and a build-up. Finally have a line in June. Should come down now that we are hiring and upgrading again. MSP displacement shouldn't have a big effect as long as block hours stay the same and we continue with the hiring/upgrading.
I've been on Reserve for 8 months. Did most of it in MSP. Then I came to LAX and the past two months have been LCR and a build-up. Finally have a line in June. Should come down now that we are hiring and upgrading again. MSP displacement shouldn't have a big effect as long as block hours stay the same and we continue with the hiring/upgrading.
05-22-2017, 01:33 PM
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The next contract needs better reserve rules. That's not to say that other areas shouldn't be addressed, but this thread is dedicated to reserve.
Why do we have 14 hour raps? Or 8 hours of ready reserve? Even if it was negotiated down to 11 hour periods a pilot could legally drink for an hour. As it is now a reserve pilot cannot have one drink during their reserve days.
There needs to be better language on ready reserve. Either it's sit min day (4 hours max) or more credit for the additional sit time. Sure a nonflying reserve day is 3.5 but why can't every reserve day pay 4 hours? 4 hours min day for each Reserve day might not sound like a big deal, but it equates to more days off in a month (75/4 vs 75/3.5)
There should also be better language on how often the company can shift reserve period.
Yes what we have now is better than it was in the lost decade, but why accept current conditions when everyone else is negotiating for more.
Why do we have 14 hour raps? Or 8 hours of ready reserve? Even if it was negotiated down to 11 hour periods a pilot could legally drink for an hour. As it is now a reserve pilot cannot have one drink during their reserve days.
There needs to be better language on ready reserve. Either it's sit min day (4 hours max) or more credit for the additional sit time. Sure a nonflying reserve day is 3.5 but why can't every reserve day pay 4 hours? 4 hours min day for each Reserve day might not sound like a big deal, but it equates to more days off in a month (75/4 vs 75/3.5)
There should also be better language on how often the company can shift reserve period.
Yes what we have now is better than it was in the lost decade, but why accept current conditions when everyone else is negotiating for more.
05-23-2017, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by mpet
A regular reserve day is 3.5 because it's 14/4 which is 4:1 trip rig (regional airline standard) since time on rap doesn't involve duty (in the sense you have an actual assignment with an airplane or the airport)
It's 14 hours because 10 is the minimum off between rap periods. I honestly think of what you mentioned this is the LEAST likely to change. When they have you on a reserve day, they want you until they are sure they can't use you legally, and sometimes not even then
Airport reserve is 4 because it is 8 hours, on duty for the 2:1 duty rig (regional airline standard)
I think most of this is all industry standard to be honest. 12 hours bottle to throttle is however, not. I've seen 10, and 8 at most places.
It's 14 hours because 10 is the minimum off between rap periods. I honestly think of what you mentioned this is the LEAST likely to change. When they have you on a reserve day, they want you until they are sure they can't use you legally, and sometimes not even then
Airport reserve is 4 because it is 8 hours, on duty for the 2:1 duty rig (regional airline standard)
I think most of this is all industry standard to be honest. 12 hours bottle to throttle is however, not. I've seen 10, and 8 at most places.
My though on contract negotiations is to get the best possible work rules and compensation. Presenting what the competition is offering to the company gives you a better position to negotiate from. Granted there are over 2 years until we even get to openers, I think new hires should be thinking about this.To address these in order SkyWest has negotiated for 4.2 min day even on reserve, which gives them 12/13 days off per month. Republic and Air Wisconsin have 12 days off on reserve as well.
14 hours on reserve with 10 between is not the biggest deal in the world, but again I am suggesting that we should look to improve conditions for those behind us. SkyWest has 2 short call RAPs which only go for 12 hours, with two early release evaluations (RE1 0400-1600 or 0500 to 1700: 0900/1200, and RE2 0900-2100: 1400/1700)
As for LCR, their language says that a minimum of 20% must be LCR, our LOA has language saying 18% or greater but with a caveat that the company has the right to reduce the percentage to 0% based on operational need. I suppose it depends on how the company determines operational need. To me that reads they can decide to offer all short call, where language saying a minimum percentage reads, if we have people on reserve, 20% must be LCR. If no one is on reserve, then you would go to 0 that way.
Airport reserve. From what I understand Republic does not do airport reserve, it is all LCR or short call. At SkyWest they credit 50% of the time sitting, but again just my understanding is that is on top of their guarantee, which means the company is less likely to sit someone without needing to (costs them $$).
12 hours bottle to throttle is definitely conservative! Even the Mormon Air Force is on an 8 hour rule
05-24-2017, 11:20 AM
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The biggest thing you can do to improve reserve is to allow reserve pilots to pick up open time. This will allow you to greatly improve QOL.
You could have a rule that simply says, for any trip in open time, 24 hrs before the report time any reserve pilot can pick it up.
This would reduce the workload on schedulers so it is a win/win.
Reserve pilots could then have some control on their life. If you are a commuter you could grab a trip that helps your commute instead of losing a day becuase the give you a late trip on your last day or early one on first
The company has to assign the open trips anyway so why not allow pilots to pick them up.they would probably find there are much few open trips each day.
You could have a rule that simply says, for any trip in open time, 24 hrs before the report time any reserve pilot can pick it up.
This would reduce the workload on schedulers so it is a win/win.
Reserve pilots could then have some control on their life. If you are a commuter you could grab a trip that helps your commute instead of losing a day becuase the give you a late trip on your last day or early one on first
The company has to assign the open trips anyway so why not allow pilots to pick them up.they would probably find there are much few open trips each day.
05-24-2017, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by veewan
I think a lot of this used to be industry standard (regional), but now is the time to raise the bar again My though on contract negotiations is to get the best possible work rules and compensation. Presenting what the competition is offering to the company gives you a better position to negotiate from. Granted there are over 2 years until we even get to openers, I think new hires should be thinking about this.
To address these in order SkyWest has negotiated for 4.2 min day even on reserve, which gives them 12/13 days off per month. Republic and Air Wisconsin have 12 days off on reserve as well.
14 hours on reserve with 10 between is not the biggest deal in the world, but again I am suggesting that we should look to improve conditions for those behind us. SkyWest has 2 short call RAPs which only go for 12 hours, with two early release evaluations (RE1 0400-1600 or 0500 to 1700: 0900/1200, and RE2 0900-2100: 1400/1700)
As for LCR, their language says that a minimum of 20% must be LCR, our LOA has language saying 18% or greater but with a caveat that the company has the right to reduce the percentage to 0% based on operational need. I suppose it depends on how the company determines operational need. To me that reads they can decide to offer all short call, where language saying a minimum percentage reads, if we have people on reserve, 20% must be LCR. If no one is on reserve, then you would go to 0 that way.
Airport reserve. From what I understand Republic does not do airport reserve, it is all LCR or short call. At SkyWest they credit 50% of the time sitting, but again just my understanding is that is on top of their guarantee, which means the company is less likely to sit someone without needing to (costs them $$).
12 hours bottle to throttle is definitely conservative! Even the Mormon Air Force is on an 8 hour rule
My though on contract negotiations is to get the best possible work rules and compensation. Presenting what the competition is offering to the company gives you a better position to negotiate from. Granted there are over 2 years until we even get to openers, I think new hires should be thinking about this.To address these in order SkyWest has negotiated for 4.2 min day even on reserve, which gives them 12/13 days off per month. Republic and Air Wisconsin have 12 days off on reserve as well.
14 hours on reserve with 10 between is not the biggest deal in the world, but again I am suggesting that we should look to improve conditions for those behind us. SkyWest has 2 short call RAPs which only go for 12 hours, with two early release evaluations (RE1 0400-1600 or 0500 to 1700: 0900/1200, and RE2 0900-2100: 1400/1700)
As for LCR, their language says that a minimum of 20% must be LCR, our LOA has language saying 18% or greater but with a caveat that the company has the right to reduce the percentage to 0% based on operational need. I suppose it depends on how the company determines operational need. To me that reads they can decide to offer all short call, where language saying a minimum percentage reads, if we have people on reserve, 20% must be LCR. If no one is on reserve, then you would go to 0 that way.
Airport reserve. From what I understand Republic does not do airport reserve, it is all LCR or short call. At SkyWest they credit 50% of the time sitting, but again just my understanding is that is on top of their guarantee, which means the company is less likely to sit someone without needing to (costs them $$).
12 hours bottle to throttle is definitely conservative! Even the Mormon Air Force is on an 8 hour rule
This phrase appears in several places in the contract and IMOH, in every case, it needs to be taken out! This phrase is basically a blank check for the company to throw the CBA out the window and screw us over whenever they see fit. With proper planning and staffing there should never be "an operational need".
Also from talking to my buddy at Skywest it sounds like they get credit for the entire time they are out of base on a CDO. He said that they get something like 7-8 hours credit for a LSE or RST high speed. This leads to CDO's actually going senior there as you can credit around 80 hours/month in about 11 days of work.
