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404yxl 04-14-2015 09:21 PM


Originally Posted by Taylor814ce (Post 1862083)
Is this a good or bad thing?

I would say having a person in your left seat already qualified in it, will probably help you than another new hire. Plus you get to cut the event down by half since you won't have to switch.

Rama04 04-14-2015 09:55 PM


Originally Posted by SongMan (Post 1861938)
The classes are no longer 10. Looking at last three, it averaged 5-6 per class.

Yea, wait until the next vacancy shows upgrades going to the street... You'll see 10/class again.

AlaskaBound 04-15-2015 06:18 AM


Originally Posted by 404yxl (Post 1862102)
I would say having a person in your left seat already qualified in it, will probably help you than another new hire. Plus you get to cut the event down by half since you won't have to switch.

Except that you are getting PIC typed so you have to do certain events in both seats. Gotta know flow, profiles and do things like rejected takeoffs, landings, etc in the left seat.

Maingear 04-15-2015 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by AlaskaBound (Post 1862273)
Except that you are getting PIC typed so you have to do certain events in both seats. Gotta know flow, profiles and do things like rejected takeoffs, landings, etc in the left seat.

Funny, I got a PIC type at XJT with no time in the left seat and no knowledge of left seat flows. We did have to disconnect the steering with the trigger and sling the nose around with differential braking to say we could taxi.

TillerEnvy 04-15-2015 06:08 PM


Originally Posted by Maingear (Post 1862656)
Funny, I got a PIC type at XJT with no time in the left seat and no knowledge of left seat flows. We did have to disconnect the steering with the trigger and sling the nose around with differential braking to say we could taxi.


Who cares what they do at XJT? He's telling you that Compass requires you to know flows, procedures and callouts from both seats.


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AlaskaBound 04-15-2015 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by Maingear (Post 1862656)
Funny, I got a PIC type at XJT with no time in the left seat and no knowledge of left seat flows. We did have to disconnect the steering with the trigger and sling the nose around with differential braking to say we could taxi.

Funny how we're talking about Compass. Not XJT. No one cares or asked about XJT. Move on. Procedures are different here captain obvious.

Maingear 04-15-2015 08:04 PM


Originally Posted by AlaskaBound (Post 1862873)
Funny how we're talking about Compass. Not XJT. No one cares or asked about XJT. Move on. Procedures are different here captain obvious.

Ya I know. I just thought it was kinda funny that they said that the requirement to learn left and right seat was based off the PIC type. Either it's not or the ATL FSDO didn't care.

I'll learn whatever and do whatever procedures that the company that's paying to fly their planes want me to do.

saturn 04-15-2015 09:18 PM


Originally Posted by Maingear (Post 1862959)
Ya I know. I just thought it was kinda funny that they said that the requirement to learn left and right seat was based off the PIC type. Either it's not or the ATL FSDO didn't care.

I'll learn whatever and do whatever procedures that the company that's paying to fly their planes want me to do.

It wasn't at my previous carrier either. I just switched seats and taxied for 20 seconds using a tiller. It's all up to the subjective view of the FSDO.

Since I'm required to go through the approved upgrade training program to act as PIC , I don't see the need to be evaluated on specific CA flows/call outs/tasks on the initial "FO" ride for a generic PIC type rating. If somebody leaves before upgrading and wishes to act as PIC on a E170 the flows duties and call-outs will be different. That said, I liked learning both duties as it gave me a good cumulative picture of how to manage and operate a flight. And with new captain awards projected to be very junior, it's good stuff to know from the start.

Rama04 04-16-2015 07:19 AM

Alaska you are wrong
 
Everybody is happy to jump on the "move on" bandwagon. I believe he was just making a statement how it was at XJT. You should be more welcoming of people posting their thoughts... After all, it is a web board.
In any event, as an FO in initial, you are NOT required to know the CA flows. You do however need to be able to work through them. You are NOT evaluated on CA flows but, knowing them will make the SIMs faster.

DashTrash 04-16-2015 09:39 AM

Compass has been doing this since they started. I don't believe that at XJT, they gave you a PIC type as part of a contractual obligation. Also, this is stemming from the FAA audit and wholesale changes that were made in 2010-2011. Stop whining and just cooperate to graduate!


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