Originally Posted by iamadc8pilot (Post 816941)

Sorry guys, but I still have heartburn about the whole CompAss thing anyways. Your airline, and to a large extent, the pilots themselves, are the reason a 13 year NWA/DAL pilot cannot hold a Captain spot. You effectivley usurped seniority so if you have to wait another 3 month to flow up, BFD

Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 817083)

Compass Pilots,

Before you post please consider the ramifications your words may have for flow-ups at Delta. There is no reason to engage someone looking to start a fight on Flightinfo. You will not change his mind but you may inadvertently influence someone who hasn't formed an opinion of Compass.

Originally Posted by XtremeF150 (Post 817190)

Oberon is right. This guy or gal is so not worth the time. I doubt he or she is even a DAL pilot. Just another troll that wishes to get a rise.

Originally Posted by XtremeF150 (Post 817192)

On another note after talking with some other guys today I have seen where this holdback could cause more of us not to make the cutoff. So in light of this maybe we should send some emails to the union to see if anything can be worked out. It was said today by EM that there would be no flowing out of seniority order per the contract. This sentence was meant to stop the company from picking and choosing who was going NOT stop every CA at Compass because they want to hold back a few checkairmen.
I can understand them wanting to hold a few checkairmen briefly to train the next checkairmen. However the other CA's need to go. This will ensure that we have 20 pilots per month of hiring taking place.
If this doesn't occur then those 2 classes of 30 pilots will be all from the street. (Assuming Mesaba holds some guys too) Initially this might seem ok but this will mean

2 classes of 30 from street + 29 from Compass/Mesaba (only given #'s) =89

This will mean in 3 months time they would hit 267 (not including the callbacks)

Looking at it like this we would be lucky to see 60 ppl flow more likely 40. This is a real possiblity that we need to try and prevent.

Originally Posted by cfiguy11 (Post 817409)

does anyone know if the written test that Compass gives during the phase 1 interview is from the ATP question bank or do they make up there own questions?

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 817322)

When NWA was running classes in 07/08 they did hold guys back at Mesaba because they needed to replace their empty Mesaba seat. However, these flow ups received a seniority # for the class they were originally awarded and just went to training later. That resulted in many being able to go straight to the 320, as many newhires held the 320 1 month into training and never had to go to the DC9 if they didn't want to.

I don't know if this resulted in less flow ups or not, just thought I'd share FWIW.

Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 817083)

Compass Pilots,

Before you post please consider the ramifications your words may have for flow-ups at Delta. There is no reason to engage someone looking to start a fight on Flightinfo. You will not change his mind but you may inadvertently influence someone who hasn't formed an opinion of Compass.

Originally Posted by bored (Post 817809)

Lighteningspeed -

I'll take our (XJ) flowthru over the CP one any day of the week. While we might only get to flow 9, we also don't have a flushback. Also, with a sustainable number like 9, it will facilitate a smooth operation at Mesaba while people flow. 20/mo from an airline with only 400 pilots is going to create havok and it will affect everyone on the list. 9/mo IMO is a small price to pay for keeping the rest of us not flowing from having rampant jr assigns, being abused on reserve, canceled vacations and all the other delights of a short staffed airline, all of which we have not experienced at Mesaba in the last 3 years. Plus, the number 9 can always be increased through negotiation.

Originally Posted by contrails (Post 814764)

Incorrect.

All that are senior enough to flow meet all of the requirements. In fact even the second bracket of 100 pilots probably all meets them too.

Originally Posted by Lighteningspeed (Post 817697)

You are right. To clarify, only ones held back were LCAs or ones with medical issues. But they all, except the ones with medical issues (I think there were only 2 with med issues), received NWA seniority numbers and they all flowed up and benefitted by flowing up later since they did not have to go to DC9s.

Originally Posted by Splash (Post 817906)

You are incorrect. Re-read the contract and LOAs. Pay particular attention to the requirement for 30 months. Then scan down the list and identify the pilots who don't have it - but are senior enough to flow.

See any who have been out on maternity leave for several months?

Question me at your peril.