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Old 05-27-2015 | 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by RTRD
I know I'm beating a dead horse here but as long as we are educating new hires, let's not leave out the part where we're better off without ADTG. I have 2 calendar day overnights at hotels this month that I am not getting pay or credit for. That's 2 days of my life and 8 hrs. of pay down the drain. Another month I had 4 of those. When do we switch from ADTG anyway? Next month? Can't be soon enough.
If yall want to continue talking about ADTG, MAKE A THREAD FOR IT.
Old 05-27-2015 | 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Rama04
If yall want to continue talking about ADTG, MAKE A THREAD FOR IT.
Why? It's a compass issue? A past issue but a compass issue.
Old 05-27-2015 | 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by AlaskaBound
Why? It's a compass issue? A past issue but a compass issue.
"Compss Updates"
ADTG is NOT an update. It's old news and nothing has changed.
Old 05-27-2015 | 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by paxhauler85
Next month. That's the reason for the noticible reduction in trip productivity for June.

I see a lot of lines with 11-12 days off. Ouch. Lot of guys went from working 15-17 days for 85 hours to working 18 or 19 days for 85 hours.

At the end of the day, this is what the vocal minority wanted. They managed to sway the entire pilot group into voting a trip rig out. You reap what you sow.
Next month, you mean june? So i have 2 30 hr overnights next month but i dont see 4 hours extra credit for the 30 hour overnights. The trip's credit is almost identical to the block actually. Will it be added somewhere else on the settlement check data or am i missing something??
Old 05-27-2015 | 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Snickers
Next month, you mean june? So i have 2 30 hr overnights next month but i dont see 4 hours extra credit for the 30 hour overnights. The trip's credit is almost identical to the block actually. Will it be added somewhere else on the settlement check data or am i missing something??
Because as I understand it (correct me if I'm wrong) you only get the 4 hour credit on days in which there is a duty period. So if those 30 hour overnight days off don't have a duty period in them... the 4 hour credit does NOT apply. Meaning, you will get paid 0 hours for that day off in the middle of your pairing.

Maybe this was the piece of information that was being missed when voting out ADTG?
Old 05-27-2015 | 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by 404yxl
I'm just amazed the level of vitriol from pilots who don't like when someone states those realities. It just comes off that they want to silence the truth and they hate anyone that won't shut-up when they tell them to.
This is a classic case of "it's not WHAT you say..but HOW you say it"
You come on here, you sound like the Prophet of all things regional airline, and then create threads regarding other airlines. Yes..it comes off as douchy, and like you have nothing better to do.

One thing is certain, opinions are like *********s...everyone has one. Your opinion is just that. It is not fact until it becomes reality. So don't come on here and sound like you know everything as fact as if you are some fly on the wall in all the airline executive board rooms.

If the 50 seaters get parked, it's not a big shock. However, if they stick around until the last hour runs out....that's not a huge shock either. The only thing in this industry that's NOT shocking is the element of surprise.
Old 05-27-2015 | 10:30 AM
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So what is the latest and greatest at Compass? Any new news on upgrade time? I recall some posts saying 3 months others were at more (1yr).

Anyone got solid info?

Thx
Old 05-27-2015 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by EuroMexPilot
Because as I understand it (correct me if I'm wrong) you only get the 4 hour credit on days in which there is a duty period. So if those 30 hour overnight days off don't have a duty period in them... the 4 hour credit does NOT apply. Meaning, you will get paid 0 hours for that day off in the middle of your pairing.

Maybe this was the piece of information that was being missed when voting out ADTG?
That is incorrect. If you have a calendar day in the middle of the pairing with no duty, you should get 4 hours for that day. The exception that 404 likes to get all worked up about is that if you work slightly into that off day, as in block in shortly after midnight, you will not get the credit. The way our pairings have traditionally been built, that is rarely an issue, but to give 404 his ounce of due, they will probably find a way to exploit that weakness, but to what extent has yet to be seen. This was supposed to take effect in June, but somehow it has been kicked down the road to July pairings from what I understand.
Old 05-27-2015 | 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by conquestdz
That is incorrect. If you have a calendar day in the middle of the pairing with no duty, you should get 4 hours for that day. The exception that 404 likes to get all worked up about is that if you work slightly into that off day, as in block in shortly after midnight, you will not get the credit. The way our pairings have traditionally been built, that is rarely an issue, but to give 404 his ounce of due, they will probably find a way to exploit that weakness, but to what extent has yet to be seen. This was supposed to take effect in June, but somehow it has been kicked down the road to July pairings from what I understand.

Example; A compass pilot has a 2-day trip with seven block hours on the first day and two block hours on the last day. Would they get four hours credit on the last day making the trip worth 12 hours or would the trip pay nine hours?
Old 05-27-2015 | 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Systemized
Example; A compass pilot has a 2-day trip with seven block hours on the first day and two block hours on the last day. Would they get four hours credit on the last day making the trip worth 12 hours or would the trip pay nine hours?
We have a 4 hour min day so the second day would pay 4 hours and the total trip credit would be 11 hours instead of 9. With the ADTG it would have paid 9:30 (4:45 x 2).

Question still stands, are we receiving 4 hours credit for 30 hour overnights in June? If so, why wasn't the credit reflected in the value of the trip?
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