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contrails 07-27-2015 08:04 PM


Originally Posted by tunes (Post 1938702)
Based on our current performance I doubt they want to give them to us...but who knows

What's the current performance?

Gjn290 07-27-2015 08:10 PM


Originally Posted by tunes (Post 1938702)
Based on our current performance I doubt they want to give them to us...but who knows


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I've not been on the line for long but every delay I've encountered has been either station or gate related. I think DL finally realized that after they started the LAX-SFO shuttle and expanding the mainline flying out of LAX. Not to mention runway construction in LAX for what, the next two years?

404yxl 07-27-2015 08:59 PM


Originally Posted by PilotLife4me (Post 1938684)
Good to know, thanks!
I've been reading that Delta as a result of the rejected TA, is going to excercise 175 options apparently 30 of them. This is obviously pure speculation at this point, and most likely a negotiation tactic but have there been any rumblings at Compass? I know you guys are crazy busy as it is...but I have to ask.

The Delta TA would have allowed 50 more 76 seat options on top of those 30. Not sure the exact 76 seat cap at Delta, but it is around 323 and the TA would have allowed 50 more up around 373.

The TA was just a way for Delta to replace more of their aging 50 seat jets with more efficient 76 seat jets, since they are almost to the current cap (30 away). Now, their options are to refurbish the 50 seat aircraft and try to staff them at the regional level, or transition the flying to mainline.

jarretk 07-27-2015 09:13 PM

A captain told me a while back that our performance is so bad that it is below contractual standards with Delta. I know LAX brings down our entire operation but damn.
My buddy at OO is a fan of telling me that if their new pay package goes through they will get Delta 175 flying so I highly doubt we will see new Delta flying.

404yxl 07-27-2015 09:23 PM


Originally Posted by jarretk (Post 1938746)
A captain told me a while back that our performance is so bad that it is below contractual standards with Delta. I know LAX brings down our entire operation but damn.
My buddy at OO is a fan of telling me that if their new pay package goes through they will get Delta 175 flying so I highly doubt we will see new Delta flying.

The LAX flying itself shouldn't affect the Delta-Compass agreement. The only thing that affects their agreement is the controllable completion factor which is due to Compass staffing their company appropriately. That's how Delta and United kicked Mesa to the curb a few years back and is probably what is happening over at Republic.

The new pay package at Skywest is the same mold as what Compass is doing by giving $10K bonus to new hires only. It only compensates new pilots more while not giving anything to the current pilots. So, in a way you should tell your buddy Compass is already doing that, even though it is against the contract. Not sure why the Skywest pilots would want to vote that in though.

Shark 07-28-2015 06:05 AM

Before everyone gets worked up about additional aircraft, maybe we should stop and think about why the Delta Pilots are rejecting their TA. Whatever their reason for rejection, standing is support of an ALPA Pilot is the preferred side, not the side that punishes the ALPA Pilot group for standing up for improving the industries standards. I personally don't want to be a part of the whipsaw that might affect a mianline partner, especially one who has offered a flow thru program. You might win a battle, but when you **** off a mineline pilot group, you will definitely not win the war.

buddies8 07-28-2015 06:12 AM

So you are ok with whipsawing another regional as long it's no mainline.

saturn 07-28-2015 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by 404yxl (Post 1938751)
The LAX flying itself shouldn't affect the Delta-Compass agreement. The only thing that affects their agreement is the controllable completion factor which is due to Compass staffing their company appropriately. That's how Delta and United kicked Mesa to the curb a few years back and is probably what is happening over at Republic.

The new pay package at Skywest is the same mold as what Compass is doing by giving $10K bonus to new hires only. It only compensates new pilots more while not giving anything to the current pilots. So, in a way you should tell your buddy Compass is already doing that, even though it is against the contract. Not sure why the Skywest pilots would want to vote that in though.

Um. That's not their pay package at all. They add some little compensation and QOL improvements, but what you're referring to is new hire pay rates going to $30/hr with option of $36/hr. No bonus. Also no promise of DL E175s, that's just gossip.

M20EPilot 07-28-2015 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by 404yxl (Post 1938751)

The new pay package at Skywest is the same mold as what Compass is doing by giving $10K bonus to new hires only. It only compensates new pilots more while not giving anything to the current pilots. So, in a way you should tell your buddy Compass is already doing that, even though it is against the contract. Not sure why the Skywest pilots would want to vote that in though.

Sorry but that's off. There are several items besides hourly rate but they add up to about a 5% raise across the board. Also a trip rig, extra guaranteed day off line/reserve and several other things.

crazyjaydawg 07-28-2015 11:52 AM


Originally Posted by jarretk (Post 1938746)
A captain told me a while back that our performance is so bad that it is below contractual standards with Delta. I know LAX brings down our entire operation but damn.
My buddy at OO is a fan of telling me that if their new pay package goes through they will get Delta 175 flying so I highly doubt we will see new Delta flying.


Completely false. The only thing that would nullify a current contract would be CCF and our CCF is usually around 99.5% well above the line that would get us booted.

On the other hand the company makes extra "bonus" money if we hit performance goals and for DAL it involves D0 and A14. For TSH's first 4 years of ownership they hit those goals and made a LOT of extra money to the point that they were expecting it. Now our D0 and A14 are so brutal that they hardly make the first bonus level. Notice our shared rewards are based exclusively off of those metrics.

As for new flying, anything and everything is always up for bid. TSH will submit a bid for anything, but they don't bid for anything at a loss just to get extra flying.


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