Why? (Furloughed TSA pilots to Compass)
 

Not to incite a riot or anything, but I sit here wondering why ASA can make an agreement to hire furloughed Express Jet pilots and Pinnacle has a deal to hire furloughed Mesaba pilots, why can't anyone at TSA seem to get something going to help get furloughed TSA pilots some kind of hiring agreement with Compass. And I know the canned resons why most people think this has not taken place yet, but I would have to think if the other airlines mentioned prior can make it work, why not TSA? Go.

There's no reason they couldn't...if they wanted to.

You can thank Transtates managment for that!

That seems pretty inexcusable. The guys currently still on property at TSA are the ones in position to keep the pressure on management. Best of luck!

And therein lies the problem... :o

Obviously, but my question is why the union is more involved in getting some guy elected to Congress and not doing much to help out us furloughed guys? I am not slamming the MEC, I think they are doing a lot of good in contract negotiations, but that doesn't mean much to me when I am on the sidelines working a lousy job clining to the hope of a recall that I can't ever see happening anyway.

Have you emailed your MEC and asked? Our MEC has always been good about helping out furloughed alpa brothers and sisters. That's how I got here.

I'm sure the MEC very much wants and is working towards getting furloughed TSA pilots on at compass. (I have a feeling the compass MEC is probably wanting to help out as well.) I have a feeling that management is the one working against you.

Why does it have to be behind closed doors? That's what Herbie is getting at. The fact that Herbie has not been hired by Compass means that although you were hired, it doesn't mean that everyone else can be hired. That is not acceptable.

Why can't two Alpa carriers make an agreement of instead of hiring street pilots, hire furloughed ALPA from the same holdings company? As rickair7777 said, there's no reason they couldn't if they wanted to.

If you have ever worked for TSA, this all makes sense. You'll go crazy if you ask yourself "why?" Why TSA management does most of the things they do is completely beyond any logical explanation. TSA (holdings) management is not making these arrangements, because they don't have to and contract negotiations with the TSA pilot group are coming to a close. They're not going to do anyone any favors under normal circumstances, let alone right now. You'd be better off emailing a union rep rather than posing the question on an internet board...because your fellow ALPA pilots WANT you to get recalled, at TSA or Compass...but they're not exactly the ones making the decisions in this department. I know it sucks, but that's the kind of company TSA is, always has been.

Why not apply to Compass directly yourself if you would like to work there? There will be much hiring to come. If you are a TSA furlough you would be certainly qualified.

It is obvious that TSH has no plans of merging lists, therefore recalling TSA pilots to CPZ would have no benefit to TSH :(

What benefit could there be to begin with? Is everyone talking about costs?? You're just hiring a furloughed pilot instead of someone from the street, replacing a body from the streets with a known out of work body from holdings it's that simple. Cost at that point is the same. Now, what benefit is there for management at mesaba or pinnacle to hire another furloughed mesaba instead of not allowing the guy? Someone from the street is either going to be hired to replace the outgoing mesaba guy that went to pinnacle when Mesaba does hire again. OR the street pilot is going to be hired at Pinnacle instead of the Mesaba furloughed. Same thing applies at TSH. Either way, in the long run there's no effect on the company.

And by the way... training costs are figured into the contracts anyways. That's why management won't shed a tear when they have to furlough 100 or 500 pilots.

LOL that's the point for the union isn't it? If you can't merge lists then have hiring agreements.

Mustache ride, as far as TSA management is concerned, the TSA furloughed don't exist anymore. We obviously haven't existed for the last 2+ years and probably won't indefinitely if they keep shrinking ops. I guarantee they're not even thinking about the furloughed. They'll be ok if only 5 come back. The following is not against the MEC by any means, just an observation, but as a furloughed pilot I haven't heard anything about Compass ever since the purchase let alone any kind of preferential deal in the works by the MECs or any official word that there even has been an attempt to work out a deal. If there's been any kind of formal denial by the company to an ALPA TSA/CPZ request, I haven't seen it or heard about it. So what's the deal with this "management won't allow it"? :confused:

Glider..now that's funny!
There is no rhyme or reason to who gets called for an interview, let alone hired, at an airline. Being qualified is often no help.
My time quals are above requirements at most airlines by a factor of 10 to 20 times. No accidents, no violations, never failed a checkride in 38 years of flying. Yet the Compass's, of the world won't even call for an interview.
That's the way it is and I am not upset by it. It does bother me, however, when I read a post that implies that all one must do is apply somewhere and, voila, they get hired. The implication is that if it doesn't happen for an individual there must be something wrong with him or his work ethic.
There are thousands of qualified furloughed pilots on the street. There will be more to come as Comair and Mesaba shed dozens of aircraft from their fleets in the next 2 years. It is a reasonable question, and by extension request, for those furloughed from the same parent company to get preferential hiring at the sister airline.

My point exactly, there is no "benefit" or I suppose a better word to begin with, would have been incentive, for TSH. That said, I think it would be great if the MEC's could convince CPZ HR to have a preferential deal for the TSA furloughs. The fewer furloughed guys on the street the better!

Call your MEC and let us know what they say (make sure you get permission first). I haven't heard anything one way or another on the Compass side. I'll inquire though.

I would not be on here bringing any of this to light if I had not already applied and even tried a few other things to get on their radar as well. My point is that I feel as though I am furloughed and forgotten, certainly by TSA, but also as far as ALPA is concerned. And a little newsletter every 3 months telling me about all of the airlines in far away lands that are hiring is not really all that helpful. I have the info I need to call the MEC and will when the time permits ( I work funny hours right now). And believe me, I know I am not the only furloughed guy out there, I certainly think that more can be done to help remedy this issue and help get more of the furloughed pilots like myself back in to the cockpit ASAP.

Herbie,
have you tried to email your rep/MEC? That might work better, particularly if you are working odd hours. Most reps I've ever dealt with reply to their emails pretty quickly (often faster than phone calls,) and the email info should be with the MEC contact info.

I have contacted my ALPA rep and it was explained basically how I already understood it to be. The whole thing just makes me sick right now and leaves me with a lot of questions for both the company and the union, most of which just can't be answered at this time. And to be fair, there is only so much that the MEC can do, but I guess most of my disapointment falls on the national level. I don't know what the other furloughed ALPA pilots get as far as assistance or anything of that nature, but I would have thought that all of those union dues would have gotten me a little more than a quarterly "We're thinking of you" newsletter.

I understand that some of what I am saying is said out of disgust and a lot of disappointment, but I am tired of being stuck on the sidelines and seemingly powerless to do anything to get my career back short of commuting across the Atlantic or Pacific. I would love to hear from other furloughed ALPA pilots and get their take. I am not saying that I am not for what ALPA stands for and does for the active pilots, I would just like to see something more than what I am now.

heres the way i look at it. we were "recalled" last November eventhough there was NOTHING official in the works. that tells me we were USED as a bargaining chip or a gesture of good faith if you will. mgmt needs us all still on the bench in the event a situation like that should arise again (doubtfully)

What did they say?

Yes I am sure... but minus the beach preferably in a dungeon.

Hahahahahahahahahahahha! You guys crack me up sometimes!

Do you honestly....really.....like, really......seriously think TSH management gives a rat's sphincter about their workforce?

Oh wow guys...oh wow.

How quickly we forget about November of 2009 and those pretty little certified letters they sent us. I've had more fun at Planned Parenthood after a night on the town without protection.

I need to come up with some more SFW analogies here but you get what I'm getting at...I hope.

Right now the company is not going to do anything that would raise any kind of morale. I don't see how denying the furloughed work rights to sister companies would violate the first sentence considering the furloughed are not part of the active group. But if they are indeed doing so, I hope the union can use that as a bargaining chip to at least bring everyone back.