New to Corporate Flying
08-15-2017, 07:48 PM
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New to Corporate Flying
Hello,
It looks as if I may have the opportunity sometime soon of moving from flight instructing to flying CJ's and potentially a King Air aswell.
As someone who is knew to 91/135 flying and also new to anything that can go faster than 120 kts I am seeking knowledge from the almighty APC council.
For those veterans and newer pilots as well, what is something that you would tell a newbie that you wished you had known when you were starting out?
All responses are appreciated!
It looks as if I may have the opportunity sometime soon of moving from flight instructing to flying CJ's and potentially a King Air aswell.
As someone who is knew to 91/135 flying and also new to anything that can go faster than 120 kts I am seeking knowledge from the almighty APC council.
For those veterans and newer pilots as well, what is something that you would tell a newbie that you wished you had known when you were starting out?
All responses are appreciated!
08-16-2017, 06:04 AM
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Learn the FMS, forwards and backwards
Learn some FAR 25 performance, it's a subject poorly or perfunctorily taught at schools. Typically, last afternoon after the free pasta lunch.
Stay ahead of the plane, initially the speed difference is daunting.
Figure out the pay and expenses program.
GF
Learn some FAR 25 performance, it's a subject poorly or perfunctorily taught at schools. Typically, last afternoon after the free pasta lunch.
Stay ahead of the plane, initially the speed difference is daunting.
Figure out the pay and expenses program.
GF
08-16-2017, 06:20 AM
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Welcome to the above 250kts and FL250 club!
Just remember that when things start to speed up.....you can always slow her back! It's ok to slow her back to 180-200 kts to be sure your staying on pace.
Know the box, know the systems and try to be three steps ahead mentally.
As GF told me once, if you wanna go fast....go slow.
Just remember that when things start to speed up.....you can always slow her back! It's ok to slow her back to 180-200 kts to be sure your staying on pace.
Know the box, know the systems and try to be three steps ahead mentally.
As GF told me once, if you wanna go fast....go slow.
08-16-2017, 08:08 AM
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In addition to the above excellent advice...
- Find a mentor, within your flight department or just around the hangar / airport. Ask questions, develop a good BS filter, and learn from others' experiences.
- If it's Part 91, start to develop your own go / nogo criteria. You'll very possibly be asked to fly in less than optimum circumstances (weather, aircraft status, crew rest, etc.) so you'll need to establish when to draw the line, and how to do that with the owner. Have sound reasoning as to why you're making your decision, and offer alternatives. Don't forget, once you say "yes" and execute the flight, it'll forever become the standard and will be expected for ever and ever. It's a balancing act to some degree: you want them to use their airplane (job security) but you want your opinion to be respected when you have to tell them "no".
Will you be flying the CJ single pilot? If so, been there / done that, and it can get busy.
- Find a mentor, within your flight department or just around the hangar / airport. Ask questions, develop a good BS filter, and learn from others' experiences.
- If it's Part 91, start to develop your own go / nogo criteria. You'll very possibly be asked to fly in less than optimum circumstances (weather, aircraft status, crew rest, etc.) so you'll need to establish when to draw the line, and how to do that with the owner. Have sound reasoning as to why you're making your decision, and offer alternatives. Don't forget, once you say "yes" and execute the flight, it'll forever become the standard and will be expected for ever and ever. It's a balancing act to some degree: you want them to use their airplane (job security) but you want your opinion to be respected when you have to tell them "no".
Will you be flying the CJ single pilot? If so, been there / done that, and it can get busy.
08-16-2017, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
Learn the FMS, forwards and backwards
Learn some FAR 25 performance, it's a subject poorly or perfunctorily taught at schools. Typically, last afternoon after the free pasta lunch.
Stay ahead of the plane, initially the speed difference is daunting.
Figure out the pay and expenses program.
GF
Learn some FAR 25 performance, it's a subject poorly or perfunctorily taught at schools. Typically, last afternoon after the free pasta lunch.
Stay ahead of the plane, initially the speed difference is daunting.
Figure out the pay and expenses program.
GF
I been flying contract for 12 years, you be surprise how many guys dont even have a clue about performance/2nd segment s$it.. We do Aspen a lot!! 3/4 times a week sometimes..Some days I get a copilot whos never been in a jet, next trip a ex AA MD80 check airman..
08-16-2017, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by VIIPILOT
^^^^This^^^^
I been flying contract for 12 years, you be surprise how many guys dont even have a clue about performance/2nd segment s$it.. We do Aspen a lot!! 3/4 times a week sometimes..Some days I get a copilot whos never been in a jet, next trip a ex AA MD80 check airman..
I been flying contract for 12 years, you be surprise how many guys dont even have a clue about performance/2nd segment s$it.. We do Aspen a lot!! 3/4 times a week sometimes..Some days I get a copilot whos never been in a jet, next trip a ex AA MD80 check airman..
Until you finally takeoff and can't figure out why she won't climb out of that valley!!
Respect the Perf Numbers!! Your life and the paxs lives depend on it.
08-16-2017, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by RI830
It's all just gobbilty goop numbers that limit you?!?!?!
Until you finally takeoff and can't figure out why she won't climb out of that valley!!
Respect the Perf Numbers!! Your life and the paxs lives depend on it.
Until you finally takeoff and can't figure out why she won't climb out of that valley!!
Respect the Perf Numbers!! Your life and the paxs lives depend on it.
08-16-2017, 04:42 PM
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Mink and GF are spot on listen to this advice.
Develop your personal minimums for wx and new airports, stay ahead of the plane and wx.
What model CJ? We just got a new CJ3+, fun plane to fly. You'll find the KA is much easier to slow dow than the CJ.
Develop your personal minimums for wx and new airports, stay ahead of the plane and wx.
What model CJ? We just got a new CJ3+, fun plane to fly. You'll find the KA is much easier to slow dow than the CJ.
08-16-2017, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
Learn the FMS, forwards and backwards
Learn some FAR 25 performance, it's a subject poorly or perfunctorily taught at schools. Typically, last afternoon after the free pasta lunch.
Stay ahead of the plane, initially the speed difference is daunting.
Figure out the pay and expenses program.
GF
Learn some FAR 25 performance, it's a subject poorly or perfunctorily taught at schools. Typically, last afternoon after the free pasta lunch.
Stay ahead of the plane, initially the speed difference is daunting.
Figure out the pay and expenses program.
GF
08-16-2017, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by SGALLO
Mink and GF are spot on listen to this advice.
Develop your personal minimums for wx and new airports, stay ahead of the plane and wx.
What model CJ? We just got a new CJ3+, fun plane to fly. You'll find the KA is much easier to slow dow than the CJ.
Develop your personal minimums for wx and new airports, stay ahead of the plane and wx.
What model CJ? We just got a new CJ3+, fun plane to fly. You'll find the KA is much easier to slow dow than the CJ.
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