Airlines plucking from the corporate ranks
#41
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2016
Posts: 142
Yea some 1970's Lear Jets will get retired finally and many of those guys who were just "keeping up with the Jones" will disappear. And good riddance. They need to be on the airlines anyway. Most of them never had full operating crews anyway and are the operations that have one guy whose job ad reads like this
Pilot wantedLear 35 or Hawker 700 or Falcon 10 or whatever old tub you can think of
Must be typed and current. Must have 5,000TT, 2,000 in type, 1,000PIC in type. Must have a masters degree and been a fighter pilot. Being a Blue Angel is a plus.
Looking for a good guy who can manage our operation out of KXXX airport. We are a great company to work for. Responsibilities include hiring contract FO's to fly with you. Flying the airplane, booking hotels for flight crew and owner and transportation coordinator. Sweeping and maintaining the hanger. Washing and polishing the brightwork on the plane, and the owners cars if you don't fly that week. Oh yea and his pool boy just quit so maintaining owners pool at his house. You may be needed in the office to do some mundane choirs. You will also be responsible for managing the maintenance on the aircraft and the lawnmowers. Oops I almost forgot, cutting the grass at the hangar and landscaping at the owners house (poolboy was the also the landscaper). We will need you to be at the office every morning at 0700 with donuts and to drop off the bosses dry cleaning when not on the road. When on the road we will need you to leave you hotel ($50 a day is our budget for yours) to go to the bosses Four Seasons by 0630 as you are also the chauffeur while on the road. Being a good cook is a plus.
Pay starts at 50k (tops out at 52k)
Per diem is $14 a day
no health
no dental
no 401k
vacation 2 weeks annually but must be used retroactively on Sundays when you were already at home previously.
So yea those guys/\/\/\/\/\ will go away and good. Who wants to do that kind of crap.
But I challenge you with this.
When fuel prices were through the roof did rich guys stop flying their private aircraft? Nope. Maybe the guys above did but not the rich guys and companies. And they won't either when pilot cost goes up.
Pilot wantedLear 35 or Hawker 700 or Falcon 10 or whatever old tub you can think of
Must be typed and current. Must have 5,000TT, 2,000 in type, 1,000PIC in type. Must have a masters degree and been a fighter pilot. Being a Blue Angel is a plus.
Looking for a good guy who can manage our operation out of KXXX airport. We are a great company to work for. Responsibilities include hiring contract FO's to fly with you. Flying the airplane, booking hotels for flight crew and owner and transportation coordinator. Sweeping and maintaining the hanger. Washing and polishing the brightwork on the plane, and the owners cars if you don't fly that week. Oh yea and his pool boy just quit so maintaining owners pool at his house. You may be needed in the office to do some mundane choirs. You will also be responsible for managing the maintenance on the aircraft and the lawnmowers. Oops I almost forgot, cutting the grass at the hangar and landscaping at the owners house (poolboy was the also the landscaper). We will need you to be at the office every morning at 0700 with donuts and to drop off the bosses dry cleaning when not on the road. When on the road we will need you to leave you hotel ($50 a day is our budget for yours) to go to the bosses Four Seasons by 0630 as you are also the chauffeur while on the road. Being a good cook is a plus.
Pay starts at 50k (tops out at 52k)
Per diem is $14 a day
no health
no dental
no 401k
vacation 2 weeks annually but must be used retroactively on Sundays when you were already at home previously.
So yea those guys/\/\/\/\/\ will go away and good. Who wants to do that kind of crap.
But I challenge you with this.
When fuel prices were through the roof did rich guys stop flying their private aircraft? Nope. Maybe the guys above did but not the rich guys and companies. And they won't either when pilot cost goes up.
I used to be a recruiter in the oilfields and found this to be hilarious. It reminds me of the questionable oil company that I used to work for. They paid the least in the oilfield and then charged the workers $2400 a month for housing! I'm surprised there was not a company store where employees were required to spend the rest of their paychecks!
#44
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 62
We had another pilot give his notice recently. A couple others have left recently so this finally got the management talking about what it will take to get pilots to stay.
Hopefully we'll see some pay improvements and time off improvements coming shortly,
Thought I'd bring the thread back up to see if other departments are seeing improvements to retain pilots?
Hopefully we'll see some pay improvements and time off improvements coming shortly,
Thought I'd bring the thread back up to see if other departments are seeing improvements to retain pilots?
#45
New Hire
Joined APC: Feb 2018
Posts: 5
So, what did you wind up doing? I’m new on this forum and weighing job offers with two major airlines and a possible G650.
#47
#49
[QUOTE=atpcliff;2472703]I have seen this from two different sources:
According to AA HR:
In 2007, they had 13,000 resumes on file who met their minimums.
In 2017, they had 3,000 resumes on file who met their minimums.
In 2018, UAL announced they are planning to hire 1200.
1200 hires at UAL puts the AA resume bucket down to close to 2000. Then, take out the AA/DAL/SWA/UPS/FedEx hires in 2018, and you have close to 1000 resumes left, plus a few additional, for the 2019 hiring year...
I believe this is correct. I work for AA. Parker has made two recent announcements and I believe they are indicative of the pilot shortage situation.
1. The AA academy:
The American Airlines Cadet Academy will train prospective pilots for 18 months at the carrier's partner flight schools, removing financial roadblocks to encourage more to become professional aviators. Once training is complete, students can interview for a position with the airline's regional carriers Envoy, Piedmont and PSA.
2.
business
American Airlines Drops Two Regional Carriers as It Streamlines
By Justin Bachman
May 4, 2018, 11:40 AM EDT Updated on May 4, 2018, 1:50 PM EDT
I believe that the reason Parker is reducing outside lift with a pilot shortage going on is to strengthen the wholly owned carriers and strengthen the flow concept. If they flow is stronger, more pilots, and faster upgrades, then Parker believes that he will not have to get into a toe-to-toe bidding war with salary and benefits with other airlines for pilots. If AA can provide a reasonable expectation by a new pilot that his advancement is better at AA then that pilot might not demand the same rates and benefits as somewhere else.
Parker used to spend considerable time and effort keeping the regionals apart to whip saw the pilots. Now with the shortage it makes more sense to consolidate, offer an increased flow, and not get into a cash war with others.
This holds true only for the conditions we now experience. If we are invaded by Aliens, the FAA allows age 90 retirements, a mid-East war breaks out, all the banks fail etc, then Parker will go back to jerking pilots around and whipsawing. It works.
According to AA HR:
In 2007, they had 13,000 resumes on file who met their minimums.
In 2017, they had 3,000 resumes on file who met their minimums.
In 2018, UAL announced they are planning to hire 1200.
1200 hires at UAL puts the AA resume bucket down to close to 2000. Then, take out the AA/DAL/SWA/UPS/FedEx hires in 2018, and you have close to 1000 resumes left, plus a few additional, for the 2019 hiring year...
I believe this is correct. I work for AA. Parker has made two recent announcements and I believe they are indicative of the pilot shortage situation.
1. The AA academy:
The American Airlines Cadet Academy will train prospective pilots for 18 months at the carrier's partner flight schools, removing financial roadblocks to encourage more to become professional aviators. Once training is complete, students can interview for a position with the airline's regional carriers Envoy, Piedmont and PSA.
2.
business
American Airlines Drops Two Regional Carriers as It Streamlines
By Justin Bachman
May 4, 2018, 11:40 AM EDT Updated on May 4, 2018, 1:50 PM EDT
- ExpressJet, Trans States contracts won’t be renewed in April
- Customers won’t be affected as flights move to other airlines
I believe that the reason Parker is reducing outside lift with a pilot shortage going on is to strengthen the wholly owned carriers and strengthen the flow concept. If they flow is stronger, more pilots, and faster upgrades, then Parker believes that he will not have to get into a toe-to-toe bidding war with salary and benefits with other airlines for pilots. If AA can provide a reasonable expectation by a new pilot that his advancement is better at AA then that pilot might not demand the same rates and benefits as somewhere else.
Parker used to spend considerable time and effort keeping the regionals apart to whip saw the pilots. Now with the shortage it makes more sense to consolidate, offer an increased flow, and not get into a cash war with others.
This holds true only for the conditions we now experience. If we are invaded by Aliens, the FAA allows age 90 retirements, a mid-East war breaks out, all the banks fail etc, then Parker will go back to jerking pilots around and whipsawing. It works.
#50
He’s still whipaawing pilots, just using the carrot of a future career instead of the whip of take the cut now because you can’t take your seniority elsewhere. Same tactic, different incentives
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