Falcon Info
12-11-2017, 06:30 PM
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Falcon Info
In my travels I certainly don't see many Falcons. I have yet to meet anyone that has flown one and would appreciate some info if possible. This forum is full of pros so I'm sure someone has a little insight.
Right now I'm looking at a possible 91 job on the Falcon 2000EX EASy. Really a no brainer decision to take the job if offered considering my position in the industry at the moment.
How did or do you like flying the aircraft? What should be an expected salary for an SIC on-call 91 gig that flys very little per month?
How was training on this aircraft compared to something like a CRJ?
As always, appreciate everyone's professionalism and awesome resourcefulness.
Right now I'm looking at a possible 91 job on the Falcon 2000EX EASy. Really a no brainer decision to take the job if offered considering my position in the industry at the moment.
How did or do you like flying the aircraft? What should be an expected salary for an SIC on-call 91 gig that flys very little per month?
How was training on this aircraft compared to something like a CRJ?
As always, appreciate everyone's professionalism and awesome resourcefulness.
12-12-2017, 03:24 AM
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Until the 2000 experts weigh in......I was typed and flew the Falcon 10 for a few years and made a few trips in the Falcon 900B (classic avionics).
I found the Falcons to be very well balanced on the controls and I felt immediately at ease flying the 10. I always felt that the ergonomics where very well thought out. It adds complexity and cost but I am strong believer in the "slats" philosophy.
Straight forward, don't sweat it!
I found the Falcons to be very well balanced on the controls and I felt immediately at ease flying the 10. I always felt that the ergonomics where very well thought out. It adds complexity and cost but I am strong believer in the "slats" philosophy.
Straight forward, don't sweat it!
12-12-2017, 04:00 AM
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I haven't flown a 2000, but my friends that have (backgrounds in ERJs/E-Jets/CRJs/Hawkers and Gulfstreams) all say it is the easiest, best-handflying airplane they have ever flown.
EASy can be a PITA to learn from what I understand, especially coming from Collins as the CR7 has, but for a younger person the transition shouldn't be an issue.
Training? Prepare your liver, I've been told it is a 12 day course crammed into nearly four weeks with most of the course being avionics.
Salary? It is on the high side of NBAA Group III, don't sell yourself short (especially in this hiring environment). $100k sounds like a reasonable place to start, adjusted for local cost of living.
EASy can be a PITA to learn from what I understand, especially coming from Collins as the CR7 has, but for a younger person the transition shouldn't be an issue.
Training? Prepare your liver, I've been told it is a 12 day course crammed into nearly four weeks with most of the course being avionics.
Salary? It is on the high side of NBAA Group III, don't sell yourself short (especially in this hiring environment). $100k sounds like a reasonable place to start, adjusted for local cost of living.
12-12-2017, 04:39 PM
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I've flown 50/50EX/900B and 900EASy with most of my time in the 900EASy. I have not flown the 2000, but the wing is essentially the same. I think anyone you talk to that has flown Falcons will tell you they are hands down the nicest flying of all the corporate jets. Very docile. It's a great wing that allows very low approach speeds yet .80 cruise speeds. It will go faster but it's was optimized for .80.
The EASy avionics take a little getting used to, but it's a great system once you learn the logic behind it. Other avionics manufacturers today are trying to come up with a similar system to what Honeywell designed in the EASy way back in 2005. It was ahead of its time. Yes as someone else said, it's a 4 week course for an EASy type and you'll spend most of the first 2 weeks on avionics.
Pay around 100k sounds reasonable for an SIC starting out in this market.
You'll love the Falcon!
The EASy avionics take a little getting used to, but it's a great system once you learn the logic behind it. Other avionics manufacturers today are trying to come up with a similar system to what Honeywell designed in the EASy way back in 2005. It was ahead of its time. Yes as someone else said, it's a 4 week course for an EASy type and you'll spend most of the first 2 weeks on avionics.
Pay around 100k sounds reasonable for an SIC starting out in this market.
You'll love the Falcon!
12-14-2017, 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by AOA1
I've flown 50/50EX/900B and 900EASy with most of my time in the 900EASy. I have not flown the 2000, but the wing is essentially the same. I think anyone you talk to that has flown Falcons will tell you they are hands down the nicest flying of all the corporate jets. Very docile. It's a great wing that allows very low approach speeds yet .80 cruise speeds. It will go faster but it's was optimized for .80.
The EASy avionics take a little getting used to, but it's a great system once you learn the logic behind it. Other avionics manufacturers today are trying to come up with a similar system to what Honeywell designed in the EASy way back in 2005. It was ahead of its time. Yes as someone else said, it's a 4 week course for an EASy type and you'll spend most of the first 2 weeks on avionics.
Pay around 100k sounds reasonable for an SIC starting out in this market.
You'll love the Falcon!
The EASy avionics take a little getting used to, but it's a great system once you learn the logic behind it. Other avionics manufacturers today are trying to come up with a similar system to what Honeywell designed in the EASy way back in 2005. It was ahead of its time. Yes as someone else said, it's a 4 week course for an EASy type and you'll spend most of the first 2 weeks on avionics.
Pay around 100k sounds reasonable for an SIC starting out in this market.
You'll love the Falcon!
12-14-2017, 08:38 AM
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I fly the 50, and it is a nice plane. Easy on the controls.
With that said, the outfit is asking me to come up with salary requirements. Fly as a CA on the 50 and on their PC12. Ive looked at all the charts but I don’t know how people merge two different airplanes and pay. Any advice? Numbers? I live in the highest cost of living in the country.
With that said, the outfit is asking me to come up with salary requirements. Fly as a CA on the 50 and on their PC12. Ive looked at all the charts but I don’t know how people merge two different airplanes and pay. Any advice? Numbers? I live in the highest cost of living in the country.
12-14-2017, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by flyer15
I fly the 50, and it is a nice plane. Easy on the controls.
With that said, the outfit is asking me to come up with salary requirements. Fly as a CA on the 50 and on their PC12. Ive looked at all the charts but I don’t know how people merge two different airplanes and pay. Any advice? Numbers? I live in the highest cost of living in the country.
With that said, the outfit is asking me to come up with salary requirements. Fly as a CA on the 50 and on their PC12. Ive looked at all the charts but I don’t know how people merge two different airplanes and pay. Any advice? Numbers? I live in the highest cost of living in the country.
Your local cost of living will obviously skew salary as will the 'price of pilots' which has gone up; I'd suggest NBAA Jet III or IV Senior CA base salary (median or 75%) and use the federal locality adjustment to move it upward.
12-14-2017, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by afterburn81
In my travels I certainly don't see many Falcons. I have yet to meet anyone that has flown one and would appreciate some info if possible. This forum is full of pros so I'm sure someone has a little insight.
Right now I'm looking at a possible 91 job on the Falcon 2000EX EASy. Really a no brainer decision to take the job if offered considering my position in the industry at the moment.
How did or do you like flying the aircraft? What should be an expected salary for an SIC on-call 91 gig that flys very little per month?
How was training on this aircraft compared to something like a CRJ?
As always, appreciate everyone's professionalism and awesome resourcefulness.
Right now I'm looking at a possible 91 job on the Falcon 2000EX EASy. Really a no brainer decision to take the job if offered considering my position in the industry at the moment.
How did or do you like flying the aircraft? What should be an expected salary for an SIC on-call 91 gig that flys very little per month?
How was training on this aircraft compared to something like a CRJ?
As always, appreciate everyone's professionalism and awesome resourcefulness.
12-15-2017, 10:39 PM
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I fly a 900LX and love it. Dassault treats us good and I have no complaints. Personally, I didn't find the EasyII to be that difficult. I'm a technical guy so I guess that helped. I came from an aircraft with a Proline 21. All in all, we're planning on moving to a new 900LX or an 8X within the next year.
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