Xems

At the risk of keeping this crazy thread going (why oh why!), even the new Pilatus PC-24 that advertises amazingly short requirements uses a balanced field length of 2,810 ft. I've never even seen it other than mockup, but the numbers are really quite interesting.

That being said, planning on operations out of a 2,500 foot strip with any regularity in something other than a Twin Otter is just plain nuts!

twebb

Some of these new jets are amazing at what they can do. But short runways and reliable says Pc12.

Troll or not, pilots make these decisions everyday.....wet or contaminated runway? Was that only 1/8" dry compacted snow or slush? At the end of the day, it comes down to gut feeling. Was I on and on? Speed Vref per POH? Do I know this awos is always under or over-reporting conditions?

The pilots that know their limitations, the airplanes limitations, and the fields limitations are the ones that can post on here another day.

TroutBum

I think you are correct. This is right up there with the infamous "Mall Ninja" thread on GlockTalk. https://lonelymachines.org/mall-ninjas/

Stickshaker

I just read this whole thread and found it pretty amusing. Hopefully the OP got what he was looking for.

For any "future" users who are considering the performance of a Phenom, I can offer my .02 and beat the hell out of this dead horse:

When I run the numbers on the Phenom 100 with 4 x 180 pax, 50 pounds baggage and 2-pilot crew departing with 800 pounds and landing with 600 pounds (minimum in the 100), sea-level, 20C, 29.92:
DRY RUNWAY:
TAKEOFF FLAPS 1, MIN REQUIRED RUNWAY LENGTH = 2,861 FT, V1=94, VR=99, V2=104, VFS=121 CLIMB LIMITED WEIGHT: 10,582 LBS, AIRCRAFT WEIGHT: 8,966LBS.

LANDING FLAPS FULL, VREF=95, VAC=101, VFS=119, MAX WEIGHT: 10,507 LBS, LANDING WEIGHT = 8,766 LBS, UNFACTORED LANDING DISTANCE = 2,536 FT.

WET RUNWAY:
MIN REQUIRED RUNWAY LENGTH (TAKEOFF) = 5,068 FT
FACTORED LANDING DISTANCE = 4,983 FT

Will the airplane do it? Probably. When it's bone dry. But I've only got 1,100 hours in the Phenom (single-pilot) and I wouldn't. When you start discounting the engineering margins in the book, you're already cooked.

Shoeless

2 words: Twin Otter

HwkrPlt

Glocktalk....boy there is a blast from the past. I wonder if my login still works.