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Old 04-13-2018, 07:14 PM   #1
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Default Phenom 100 300 takeoff landing dist

Looking for ball park numbers on the embraer phenom 100 and 300 takeoff and landing distances with 2 pilots, 4-6 180lb pax, 50lbs luggage, with 800 lbs fuel. Looking at a flat 2500ft runway with short hops so fuel will always be 800lbs. The true performance numbers seem to be hard to come by.

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Looking for ball park numbers on the embraer phenom 100 and 300 takeoff and landing distances with 2 pilots, 4-6 180lb pax, 50lbs luggage, with 800 lbs fuel. Looking at a flat 2500ft runway with short hops so fuel will always be 800lbs. The true performance numbers seem to be hard to come by.
Not quite sure shooting for here.

Phenom 100 with that payload won’t hold any fuel
Phenom 300 minimum VFR reserve is 800-1000lbs.
So you wouldn’t be departing with 800 lbs

You can land on that 2500ft runway but you won’t get back out.

Look towards a PC-12 or TBM
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Might note, many 2,500’ runways are less than 98’ or 75’ wide, which is also an issue. If you don’t believe me, look up Vmcg.

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was looking more along the lines of "you could take 5 pax but not 6". Or even "3 pax and a monkey". I appreciate the other input but was looking more for hard numbers of what loads can make 2500ft work in a phenom 100 or 300.
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was looking more along the lines of "you could take 5 pax but not 6". Or even "3 pax and a monkey". I appreciate the other input but was looking more for hard numbers of what loads can make 2500ft work in a phenom 100 or 300.
The answer is none! You can’t make it work.
Phenom 300
16,400lbs Takeoff weight
20 degrees
ATR ON and Anti Ice OFF

Runway required 3080ft
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What zfw are you using?
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What zfw are you using?
11,400 BOW
+800lbs Pax
+100lbs bags
+ 50lbs misc stock
=12,350lb ZFW
+2500lbs Fuel
=14850lb Takeoff weight. 2754ft required at this weight.
This is considering sea level and 20C

The 300 burns 1600lbs the 1st hour and about 900lbs every hour after that. And a min VFR reserve of 800-1000lbs

You are asking for a serious accident by trying to work a 100 or 300 into a 2500ft strip. Please consider another airport or another airplane.
The math won’t work at all

Many operators consider a 4000ft strip (dry) as good to go.
Anything less than that requires safety evals and multiple eyes looking at it.
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Looks like if I go to 800lbs fuel it works out? My mission is only 30min on a bad day. Not xcountry or anything even close.
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Looks like if I go to 800lbs fuel it works out? My mission is only 30min on a bad day. Not xcountry or anything even close.
You'll have 10 min of fuel at best on arrival at your destination. Not safe, nor legal, nor smart.
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Even for a Pc-12 that's small
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