Duty/Flight time guidance
11-18-2018, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
Joking, but if we had to connect VNY and MDZ and BRC in one duty day, we wouldn’t use a Sovereign, but a Global. Seriously, I’m guessing LRD and GYE are fuel stops and pax requirements because I would have dropped the LRD and GYE, if the Sovereign can make 2,600 nm and just stop at PTY. So the crew change would be in GYE. That’s the only reasonable way to break up the duty periods. It’s 13+ in a Sovereign, but 11-ish in a Global or Gulfstream. With pre-flight and pax and customs, just doable in a 14-hour duty.
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11-18-2018, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 1wife2airlines
One track thinking. One or two stops could have been pax and/or crew. But are the duty period limits set by the outfit? Does Part 91 have any duty/flight time limits?
Regarding GYE, it’s only stop, assuming it’s pax-driven, that breaks up the trip into two reasonable duty periods. At the price these operations, a couple of airline tickets are pennies. I’ve crew changed in Petropavlovsk, Easter Island, Tenerife, Madrid, and ANC. It’s part of the deal.
It varies a lot, though. I don’t get “one track thinking”?
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11-18-2018, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
Flight/Duty limits are set by the operator; as the FAR Part 91 has no such requirement until it becomes “careless and reckless”. The NBAA has put out pretty useful guidance for limits tailored to biz operations. Having a SMS program increasingly is required for international ops, esp in EASA. I’ve been in three corporate ops, all had flight/duty limits that were close to 135; one exception being no flight time limit within a strict 14-hour duty period. At my last operation, we held to pretty tight—a couple of fully justified, crew-initiated and approved duty extensions, no crew rest exceptions. It’s a leadership issue.
Regarding GYE, it’s only stop, assuming it’s pax-driven, that breaks up the trip into two reasonable duty periods. At the price these operations, a couple of airline tickets are pennies. I’ve crew changed in Petropavlovsk, Easter Island, Tenerife, Madrid, and ANC. It’s part of the deal.
It varies a lot, though. I don’t get “one track thinking”?
GF
Regarding GYE, it’s only stop, assuming it’s pax-driven, that breaks up the trip into two reasonable duty periods. At the price these operations, a couple of airline tickets are pennies. I’ve crew changed in Petropavlovsk, Easter Island, Tenerife, Madrid, and ANC. It’s part of the deal.
It varies a lot, though. I don’t get “one track thinking”?
GF
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