Age limit on corporate flying?
10-10-2019, 11:52 AM
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In my former corporate life it was about 50/50 between the ones still capable of doing the job, and the ones who needed to be telling lies to the other retirees around the coffee table. That number dwindled rapidly post 70.
I hope that I’m able to bow out gracefully rather than Vmca rolling the sim into the ground to finish my career. The latter was the typical dream ender when guys started pushing their age behind the controls at my last stop.
I hope that I’m able to bow out gracefully rather than Vmca rolling the sim into the ground to finish my career. The latter was the typical dream ender when guys started pushing their age behind the controls at my last stop.
10-10-2019, 06:19 PM
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I’ve seen just as many 40 something year olds who can’t seem to turn away catering, whose sole exercise is carrying their overnight kit over the hotel curb and are a heart attack/stroke waiting to happen as I have seen older pilots who need to hang it up. Man, I’ve seen more than a few younger pilots who probably won’t even fit through the escape hatch on the 747. Personally, I think that should be a demonstrated requirement- fitting through your aircraft’s escape hatch.
Everyone is different. Just because one person can’t wait to hit 65 doesn’t mean that should apply to all.
But yeah, as you age you need to look in the mirror and be honest with yourself. Maybe tighter medical requirements.
Everyone is different. Just because one person can’t wait to hit 65 doesn’t mean that should apply to all.
But yeah, as you age you need to look in the mirror and be honest with yourself. Maybe tighter medical requirements.
10-11-2019, 08:20 AM
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Again...if you're in favor of tighter medical requirements you'd better be for tighter medical requirements for ALL PILOTS. A lot of you youngsters might not be able to pass.
If that's not the case why is everyone looking for a "good" AME wherever they live? Its because you bet your career everytime you make that appointment.
If that's not the case why is everyone looking for a "good" AME wherever they live? Its because you bet your career everytime you make that appointment.
10-11-2019, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Packrat
Again...if you're in favor of tighter medical requirements you'd better be for tighter medical requirements for ALL PILOTS. A lot of you youngsters might not be able to pass.
If that's not the case why is everyone looking for a "good" AME wherever they live? Its because you bet your career everytime you make that appointment.
If that's not the case why is everyone looking for a "good" AME wherever they live? Its because you bet your career everytime you make that appointment.
11-28-2019, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver
To me, corporate or private ownership is different. If you're willing to have a 75 year old fossil flying you around and you aren't worried he's going to stroke out and kill you and your family, well, have at it. After all, it'll will only be you and your family and hopefully nobody on the ground.
But 121, 135, and 91K hold out to the public. The person riding around in the back has little or NO say on who is up front. And those operations owe a higher duty of care to the public.
The fact that there is not a mandatory retirement age for 91K and 135 is an absolute TRAVESTY and a major headline waiting to be written. One that will have lasting repercussions for the entire industry.
The number of pilots over 70 at NJ would SHOCK you and we even have more than a handful between 78 and 85! That should scare the CRAP out of you because it sure scares me.
Absolute insanity.
But 121, 135, and 91K hold out to the public. The person riding around in the back has little or NO say on who is up front. And those operations owe a higher duty of care to the public.
The fact that there is not a mandatory retirement age for 91K and 135 is an absolute TRAVESTY and a major headline waiting to be written. One that will have lasting repercussions for the entire industry.
The number of pilots over 70 at NJ would SHOCK you and we even have more than a handful between 78 and 85! That should scare the CRAP out of you because it sure scares me.
Absolute insanity.
I’m 64 1/2 years old , perfect health , highest life insurance rating obtainable AND never an issue passing a FAA First Class Physical.
Any kind of forced retirement is unconscionable given a healthy and productive individual has a LOT of valuable work and life experience .
11-30-2019, 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by tennesseeflyboy
Au contrare , you assume that all older pilots are not able to maintain a healthy and productive life going forward , your suggestions that such forced retirement is justifiable in any case is pure hogwash sir .
I’m 64 1/2 years old , perfect health , highest life insurance rating obtainable AND never an issue passing a FAA First Class Physical.
Any kind of forced retirement is unconscionable given a healthy and productive individual has a LOT of valuable work and life experience .
I’m 64 1/2 years old , perfect health , highest life insurance rating obtainable AND never an issue passing a FAA First Class Physical.
Any kind of forced retirement is unconscionable given a healthy and productive individual has a LOT of valuable work and life experience .
There simply HAS to be a line somewhere in the 91K/135 world where the operator holds out to the public to remove those without a shred of self-awareness or intellectual honesty.
11-30-2019, 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver
Narrow minded? No, realistic.
You cannot legislate for the one-off 70 year old that can run rings around a 50 year old. You have to legislate for the 73 year old narcoleptic that derives his entire existence from being called "Captain" and falls asleep at the drop of a hat. Yes, I turned him in. No, the company wouldn't ground him despite a dozen corroborating statements.
As for aging well, I damn sure don't plan to be collecting Social Security from a cockpit like nearly THREE HUNDRED NetJets pilots. My wife has orders to ship my ID, license, medical, phone and ipad to Columbus the day I turn 65, if not sooner and that won't be long now.
You apologists for the geriatric set really crack me up. Age discriminators. Seat grabbers.
NO, you people are the ones with the problem. You just CAN'T. LET. GO.
You cannot legislate for the one-off 70 year old that can run rings around a 50 year old. You have to legislate for the 73 year old narcoleptic that derives his entire existence from being called "Captain" and falls asleep at the drop of a hat. Yes, I turned him in. No, the company wouldn't ground him despite a dozen corroborating statements.
As for aging well, I damn sure don't plan to be collecting Social Security from a cockpit like nearly THREE HUNDRED NetJets pilots. My wife has orders to ship my ID, license, medical, phone and ipad to Columbus the day I turn 65, if not sooner and that won't be long now.
You apologists for the geriatric set really crack me up. Age discriminators. Seat grabbers.
NO, you people are the ones with the problem. You just CAN'T. LET. GO.
Looking for a retirement gig to bridge the gap 65-70. I’m extremely healthy with a good healthy life style. My cognition is superior. My BP is low. My weight is nominal. All blood work well in the green. I don’t get sick and I don’t fall asleep in the seat. I’d love to do a few more years. If 121 rules changed for another age increase I would be content to stay.
11-30-2019, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by tennesseeflyboy
Au contrare , you assume that all older pilots are not able to maintain a healthy and productive life going forward , your suggestions that such forced retirement is justifiable in any case is pure hogwash sir .
I’m 64 1/2 years old , perfect health , highest life insurance rating obtainable AND never an issue passing a FAA First Class Physical.
Any kind of forced retirement is unconscionable given a healthy and productive individual has a LOT of valuable work and life experience .
I’m 64 1/2 years old , perfect health , highest life insurance rating obtainable AND never an issue passing a FAA First Class Physical.
Any kind of forced retirement is unconscionable given a healthy and productive individual has a LOT of valuable work and life experience .
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