leave legacy for corp?
04-08-2020, 06:30 AM
#61
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Joined APC: May 2018
Posts: 751
Even if you get furloughed from most 121places you will most likely still have a job once things rebound. Read through lots of the forums- many corporate and charter jobs are "furloughing" right now. Many of them WONT have a job to come back to. My old shop just laid off (furloughed as they said) about 75 percent of the pilots, dispatchers, etc. They are getting rid of a ton of planes so I heard, and Im pretty sure when the dust settles they won't have a job.
Its a crappy time across the spectrum, corporate, charter, 121. I hope everyone lands on their feet. Maybe some 121 guys will make the jump to a charter or corporate operator and really enjoy it down the road. Not all jobs are bad - there is something nice about flying the same airplane with the same people next to you, and behind you. The job isn't terribly difficult, and there is a sense of pride and accountability when you sort of run the show day in and day out.
Its a crappy time across the spectrum, corporate, charter, 121. I hope everyone lands on their feet. Maybe some 121 guys will make the jump to a charter or corporate operator and really enjoy it down the road. Not all jobs are bad - there is something nice about flying the same airplane with the same people next to you, and behind you. The job isn't terribly difficult, and there is a sense of pride and accountability when you sort of run the show day in and day out.
04-14-2020, 10:42 AM
#62
On Reserve
Joined APC: Feb 2020
Posts: 24
I’m going to toss my $.02 in and use myself as a warning...
I was a career long corp. guy. Flying heavy biz hardware internationally. My flight department was 60 years old. In December we got the NBAA 60 year safety award. The next junior man above me was 27 years with the company. I was living my golden ticket. On Jan 23rd at a “yearly planning meeting” we were all let go with no warning or indication. Entire department...60 years worth....poof. Now I am sitting here drawing unemployment trying to find a job right smack dab in the middle of a global pandemic which has destroyed the industry as we know it. No offense, but if you’ve made it to a legacy...good Lord man, stay the F put. If you’re bored and lonely, get a hotel hobby. Gaming laptop, ham radio, binge watching Netflix and Disney+. I dunno, but understand how thin the ice is on the pond you’re looking to skate on.
I was a career long corp. guy. Flying heavy biz hardware internationally. My flight department was 60 years old. In December we got the NBAA 60 year safety award. The next junior man above me was 27 years with the company. I was living my golden ticket. On Jan 23rd at a “yearly planning meeting” we were all let go with no warning or indication. Entire department...60 years worth....poof. Now I am sitting here drawing unemployment trying to find a job right smack dab in the middle of a global pandemic which has destroyed the industry as we know it. No offense, but if you’ve made it to a legacy...good Lord man, stay the F put. If you’re bored and lonely, get a hotel hobby. Gaming laptop, ham radio, binge watching Netflix and Disney+. I dunno, but understand how thin the ice is on the pond you’re looking to skate on.
04-14-2020, 12:03 PM
#64
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: FAA 'Flight Check'
Posts: 13,837
Originally Posted by Ovenmitts
I’m going to toss my $.02 in and use myself as a warning...
I was a career long corp. guy. Flying heavy biz hardware internationally. My flight department was 60 years old. In December we got the NBAA 60 year safety award. The next junior man above me was 27 years with the company. I was living my golden ticket. On Jan 23rd at a “yearly planning meeting” we were all let go with no warning or indication. Entire department...60 years worth....poof. Now I am sitting here drawing unemployment trying to find a job right smack dab in the middle of a global pandemic which has destroyed the industry as we know it. No offense, but if you’ve made it to a legacy...good Lord man, stay the F put. If you’re bored and lonely, get a hotel hobby. Gaming laptop, ham radio, binge watching Netflix and Disney+. I dunno, but understand how thin the ice is on the pond you’re looking to skate on.
I was a career long corp. guy. Flying heavy biz hardware internationally. My flight department was 60 years old. In December we got the NBAA 60 year safety award. The next junior man above me was 27 years with the company. I was living my golden ticket. On Jan 23rd at a “yearly planning meeting” we were all let go with no warning or indication. Entire department...60 years worth....poof. Now I am sitting here drawing unemployment trying to find a job right smack dab in the middle of a global pandemic which has destroyed the industry as we know it. No offense, but if you’ve made it to a legacy...good Lord man, stay the F put. If you’re bored and lonely, get a hotel hobby. Gaming laptop, ham radio, binge watching Netflix and Disney+. I dunno, but understand how thin the ice is on the pond you’re looking to skate on.
As long as the industry survives - so will you - eventually.
Your experience will get you a job immediately once things get sorted out.
04-15-2020, 06:03 AM
#66
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
Position: A350 Captain (RET)
Posts: 149
I just completed over 40 years as a Part 121 pilot and retired with a single digit seniority number.
I left a secure corporate job flying for a great company who is still operating with multiple jets nationwide. I lived in a small southern town where the cost of living was cheap and I could walk in to the CEO's office anytime.
When I did pull the trigger and go fly for Part 121 (circa 1978), I had a chief pilot of a company that had operated corporate aircraft since the end of WWII and gave me the best advice ever. He told me "the best corporate job will not compare to the worst airline job" and he was glad I made the decision to leave.
Yes, there were times the industry had it's problems over the life of my career but to do it over again, I would have done the exact same thing.
I wish you the best of luck
OC
I left a secure corporate job flying for a great company who is still operating with multiple jets nationwide. I lived in a small southern town where the cost of living was cheap and I could walk in to the CEO's office anytime.
When I did pull the trigger and go fly for Part 121 (circa 1978), I had a chief pilot of a company that had operated corporate aircraft since the end of WWII and gave me the best advice ever. He told me "the best corporate job will not compare to the worst airline job" and he was glad I made the decision to leave.
Yes, there were times the industry had it's problems over the life of my career but to do it over again, I would have done the exact same thing.
I wish you the best of luck
OC
04-15-2020, 09:19 AM
#67
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Joined APC: Feb 2009
Position: B747-400 Cpt retired
Posts: 83
[QUOTE=.
He told me "the best corporate job will not compare to the worst airline job".[/QUOTE]
This is close to being accurate, but not 100%. The best flying job in this world is a corporate one somewhere, and the worst one is also corporate somewhere. And they run the entire spectrum between these extremes. I have known of flight departments with unbelievable perks, where the pilots were treated almost like members of the family. (These were either high-net-worth individuals, or owners of the corporation in question.) Such operations are a fraction of a percent of corporate jobs. And of course these jobs can evaporate on short notice. In general, I agree, go 121. I made the jump at age 43 and it was the right move.
He told me "the best corporate job will not compare to the worst airline job".[/QUOTE]
This is close to being accurate, but not 100%. The best flying job in this world is a corporate one somewhere, and the worst one is also corporate somewhere. And they run the entire spectrum between these extremes. I have known of flight departments with unbelievable perks, where the pilots were treated almost like members of the family. (These were either high-net-worth individuals, or owners of the corporation in question.) Such operations are a fraction of a percent of corporate jobs. And of course these jobs can evaporate on short notice. In general, I agree, go 121. I made the jump at age 43 and it was the right move.
04-15-2020, 09:31 AM
#68
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
Position: A350 Captain (RET)
Posts: 149
Originally Posted by crbnftprnt
This is close to being accurate, but not 100%. The best flying job in this world is a corporate one somewhere, and the worst one is also corporate somewhere. I made the jump at age 43 and it was the right move.
Now go out and plant those trees to overcome the carbon emissions your whale puts out! :-)) I spent many years in both seats of the -400 and it was the best job!!
OC
05-06-2020, 09:14 AM
#69
New Hire
Joined APC: Feb 2020
Posts: 2
Originally Posted by Armyguy
Still debating this. It does take seniority below 40% to get weekends and holidays off. Im a commuter so I will be on the road regardless. So this is a choice for me of local part 91 v legacy FO.
great schedule next month (not sarcasm). 11 nights in a hotel. 14 working days. Leave on sunday morning each trip, back home by noon last work day. 13.5k (pay/16% dc). Do that all year: @165k. Seniority will keep moving along so more pay or better schedule as time goes on (monday starts v sunday starts for example).
Corp job starting at 185k, drive to work, less overnights. Less security, less schedule flexibility. No checking non rev loads but no calling in sick if i need a break and also driving to the airport way more than 3x in a month like my current gig. No bidding southern overnights to avoid the winter either.
great schedule next month (not sarcasm). 11 nights in a hotel. 14 working days. Leave on sunday morning each trip, back home by noon last work day. 13.5k (pay/16% dc). Do that all year: @165k. Seniority will keep moving along so more pay or better schedule as time goes on (monday starts v sunday starts for example).
Corp job starting at 185k, drive to work, less overnights. Less security, less schedule flexibility. No checking non rev loads but no calling in sick if i need a break and also driving to the airport way more than 3x in a month like my current gig. No bidding southern overnights to avoid the winter either.
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