Great, But we arent talking 135. Part 91 is just as was mentioned earlier, PRIVATE. I dont think it's nessesary to frisk my bosses 17 year old daughter everytime she gets on her own airplane. I mean shoot why not just extend these regulations on down the line to people in all their private modes of transportation. Never mind the 12500 lb weight limit, lets go after all GA. And then once thats all "safe" we had better start working on those crazy old retired people in their RVs driving across the country. Screw it we''ll just infringe on everybodys rights and make this a police state so everyone is "safe". Sit, Lay down, Roll over, Play dead! Good boy! PART 91 IS PRIVATE NOT PUBLIC. And before you say, "well, you could fly a Citation in to a building or stadium and cause public harm" just remember, I could drive an RV or ryder truck right up to a builing and do just as much damage a heck of a lot easier.

Car bombs have been utilized in two homeland terrorist attacks in the last 20 years (WTC 93 and OKC 95), and untold number of overseas attacks on US interests (perhaps most notably, Tanzania and Kenya 98).

...and there's no screening whatsoever for somebody who walks into a Penske or Ryder franchise and plunks down a few hundred bucks for a 20' rental truck.

Ok so maybe part 91 GA should be exempted....that's why at this meetings the alphabet groups/GA drivers need to bring ideas not cry foul. As I said earlier the TSA like it or not has the power to put it on your plate no questions asked. If your enterprise really is a PRIVATE operation then fine but then I ask do you think you should be allowed to enter sensitive security areas that you currently cannot because you don't perceive yourself as a threat?

Like what, DCA or Presidential TFRs?

I would fully expect "equal access" to those places if LASP is rammed own our throats, yes.

As it stands now, any Part 91 operator can apply for DCA access via compliance of DASSP...but it is VERY expensive, VERY time consuming, and a major-league PITA when you can fly into IAD or HEF and drive into the city for substantially less hassle.

cgt, your comments are absurd. First of all, the TSA could not have dropped this in our lap without any comments from the public. This proposal was written up in the Federal Register in Washington, DC. It had a required comment period of 60 days that expired in December but got so much flak that the comment period was extended to Feb. 27, 2009. This is a ridiculous proposal that needs to go away.

There is no need to have our passenger lists verified against some database when we know who all our passengers are. Can you imagine how much a third party, who has a monopoly on the ga database checking market could charge to continually check our 1000 employees to make sure they're not terriorists. Just this alone could cost into the six figures per year, who knows the cost but it could very easily be substaitial and detrimental to some corporate operators.

I wouldnt expect to be able to operate in any different secure areas than we are now under part 91. TFR's etc. Just want to be able to conduct business as we do and keep the skies safe at the same time.

I think most of us agree that it is no big deal that we can't fly into DCA and TFR's without jumping through hoops. The gov't would rather us just fly elsewhere, and that is exactly what most of us do. This is not the argument, though...

Someone has been drinking the TSA's koolaid!

Every 135 and part 91 operator has the utmost interest in protecting their assests, and they will take proper precautions for whom they let onboard their aircraft. The only one I'd really think would have even a remote issue would be NetJets because they are so large, but I'm sure they have some sort of system about their customers. Most charter departments usually know the pax they are hauling, because they are either long-time customers, or were recommended to them by other customers. Let's all use some "Common Sense" that seems to have gone the way of the DoDo bird!

And for what it's worth, no amount of security in the world is going to stop someone from doing something if the inteligence isn't there to find out before hand or leading directly up to that point. Just my .02

As far as flying into the ADIZ etc...... No kidding 121 can fly into there. There is a lot of control over you guys as far as schedule, employee's, and obviously your business is in the business to get people to those Destinations. Be glad the gov't let you in there. I'm sure there's more restrictions on the approaches and how you get in there now as part of the deal. I've flown into IAD in a C310 on charter, and another airport within the ADIZ with no issues.

All these "rules" do is just add more complication to existing functions of the gov't and added expense to everyone involved. It's OUR responsibility to properly secure our aircraft both in the air, and on the ground, and to protect our rights as pilots, and the rights of our passengers whom might not know what comes their way. I hope many of you submitted your opinions to the public comments section for the rule!

I recall that 135 and 91 operators would be required to use a third-party to verify their passenger lists. Currently 135 operators already do the verification themselves. I'm sure that 91k operators have similar requirements, but I'm not familiar with them. Under the new legislation, would we be any safer. No, but we sure would be lining someone's pockets with money. How much do you think these third-party companies will charge for this "service"? It's an inane argument for these new rules. They will not provide more security, only the illusion of security as a means to a profit for a few people.

This is the main problem with this proposal, no one knows how much these third party companies will charge. The TSA feels uncomfortable sending out no fly lists to the 10,000 corporate operators that may be affected by this, therefore we will be stuck with the third party bill. This should not go through as it is written, should not go through if it is modified, there is simply no need to try and secure part 91 corporate flight departments. As mentioned previously, our best bet to securing our nations airspace are the pilots up front. Those of us flying part 91 know everyone we fly and would not let anyone onboard that would put our airplane and everything around it in jeopardy.