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RiddleEagle18 02-28-2009 04:48 AM

King Air Daily rate?
 
whats the going daily rate on a king air 200 fo? 135 department that needs one per their ops specs?

dn_wisconsin 02-28-2009 06:19 AM

Where are you located? Thats a big factor but ball park $200/day plus expenses.

Thedude 02-28-2009 06:32 AM

Man, in '98 I was getting $300/day in DFW

dn_wisconsin 02-28-2009 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by Thedude (Post 568890)
Man, in '98 I was getting $300/day in DFW


For a king air Fo? Wow that would be great but I think that would be alittle on the high side unless you lived in NY. I think the captain pay is $500/day now depending on location.

Thedude 02-28-2009 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by dn_wisconsin (Post 568938)
For a king air Fo? Wow that would be great but I think that would be alittle on the high side unless you lived in NY. I think the captain pay is $500/day now depending on location.

Well, since the BE-200 is a single pilot airplane and no type is required, we did not call one guy Capt or f/o. He was referred to as a pilot. If they wanted a second pilot I believe the daily rate was the same. If I remember correctly, we were even on the low side compared to the rest of the country

NYSPK9 02-28-2009 10:49 AM

I currently do King Air contract work on a 200 out of Newburgh, NY (KSWF). Day rate for me is $500.00 as the PIC, even if I am flying in the right seat for the owner/pilot. When the owner wants to sit in the back with his family, we bring an SIC, and the rate is $300.00 for the co-pilot. I do the same on an E90 out of Trenton, NJ (KTTN), and I still get $500.00. Typed in a 350, and those rates are $600.00/$400.00. Hope that helps.

RiddleEagle18 02-28-2009 11:21 AM

thanks guys it does. Im in the SE. I was kinda thinking around 300 to sit right seat.

rynrock9 02-28-2009 12:31 PM

For what its worth, at our company the day rate is $125 expenses paid for. 135 Mid-West company with 90's and 200's.

X Rated 02-28-2009 02:37 PM

Question for you guys: I'm thinking of pursuing a BE350 type. Would an insurance company take that as formal training for a -200 or a -90? Or would they look for specific make/model?

Thanks,

X

dn_wisconsin 03-01-2009 07:04 AM


Originally Posted by X Rated (Post 569188)
Question for you guys: I'm thinking of pursuing a BE350 type. Would an insurance company take that as formal training for a -200 or a -90? Or would they look for specific make/model?

Thanks,

X

Do you plan on doing just 91 or 135 stuff as well. The reason why I ask is because if you plan on 135 you'll need a check ride and I believe the FAA wants it in the specific model but I could be wrong about the king airs. They used to allow the 1900 and 350 to be the same type, but call the local FSDO and see what they say.

X Rated 03-01-2009 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by dn_wisconsin (Post 569594)
Do you plan on doing just 91 or 135 stuff as well. The reason why I ask is because if you plan on 135 you'll need a check ride and I believe the FAA wants it in the specific model but I could be wrong about the king airs. They used to allow the 1900 and 350 to be the same type, but call the local FSDO and see what they say.

Thanks for the reply...Either one, really. I understand the checkride, but my question was really about just clearing insurance requirements.

X

SeamusTheHound 03-01-2009 04:58 PM

omfg low pay
 
So if you work 300 days a year (6 days a week, no vacation), you'll earn the grand sum of $37,000. That's a pretty paltry paycheck for a professional.


Originally Posted by rynrock9 (Post 569115)
For what its worth, at our company the day rate is $125 expenses paid for. 135 Mid-West company with 90's and 200's.


forgot to bid 03-01-2009 06:08 PM

I saw a Legacy 600 where the going rate on average was around $1000/day + expenses... but the owner refused to pay greater than $300. And he found typed pilots to do it.

It can be mean out there.

NYSPK9 03-01-2009 07:11 PM


Originally Posted by rynrock9 (Post 569115)
For what its worth, at our company the day rate is $125 expenses paid for. 135 Mid-West company with 90's and 200's.

WOW!! $125.00!! Almost not worth leaving the house for, no matter what part of the country your house is in. As far as the insurance, I've had insurance companies agree to cover me in the 90 series, with my annual 200/350 recurrent training, but they would have preferred I had 90 specific training. The plane owner was insistent. We all know a King Air is a King Air, but don't count on insurance companies agreeing.

wizepilot 03-01-2009 07:46 PM

I was flying a 421 for $300/day. And you're flying a KingAir for $125/day? The company you work for needs a serious attitude adjustment for their pilot's pay. Just my 2c.

dn_wisconsin 03-01-2009 08:12 PM

Guys read the entire thread, he is being paid to sit right seat. This isn't rocket science, hes not going to get $500/day for it. It would be nice to see that but I don't think that will ever happen. Lets say the average king air fo makes $40,000/yr. divide that by 200 days and thats $200 per day. Thats the point of contract people, its supposed to be more cost efficient than salary. If you work someone 200 days a year it would be better to just put them on salary. Now $125/day is low but I highly doubt these guys are qualified to fly left seat, like a 135 check ride or training at flight safety. The good news is he's being paid, hopefully what he's worth. There are plenty of kids with SJS who would do it for free or even worse pay to sit there.

rynrock9 03-02-2009 08:20 AM

Your right $125 for the right seat is low, but Im also flying a baron left seat for more $. I've got caught in the "Contract pilot" deal with my company. Now however when companies are starting to evaluate their balance sheets, I hope I will be able to weather the storm with my food stamps and mac and cheese.

With alot of fellow pilots losing their jobs and waiting in hiring pools, the only swimming I want to be doing is out back in the lake with my buddies and a cold beer.

trafly 03-03-2009 06:27 AM

$125 is a disgrace! If the company thinks enough of his ability to put him in the aircraft he should get around $300/day, maybe $350. I get $500 for occasional right seat in the Beechjet under Part91, New York area.

Ewfflyer 03-03-2009 10:39 AM

Is this position for Ops specs, or insurance? I was paid $75/day for this position, but it was only insurance requirements. We are talking a Be20 here folks, not something that requires 2 people. Depending on where you're located, it probably could/should be more, but honestly and obviously it's not a long-term position.

350pilot 03-03-2009 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by X Rated (Post 569188)
Question for you guys: I'm thinking of pursuing a BE350 type. Would an insurance company take that as formal training for a -200 or a -90? Or would they look for specific make/model?

Thanks,

X

Yes, I have been insured as PIC on a 200 and 90 but only went to school on the 350.

NYSPK9 03-03-2009 07:00 PM


Originally Posted by dn_wisconsin (Post 569981)
Guys read the entire thread, he is being paid to sit right seat. This isn't rocket science, hes not going to get $500/day for it. It would be nice to see that but I don't think that will ever happen. Lets say the average king air fo makes $40,000/yr. divide that by 200 days and thats $200 per day. Thats the point of contract people, its supposed to be more cost efficient than salary. If you work someone 200 days a year it would be better to just put them on salary. Now $125/day is low but I highly doubt these guys are qualified to fly left seat, like a 135 check ride or training at flight safety. The good news is he's being paid, hopefully what he's worth. There are plenty of kids with SJS who would do it for free or even worse pay to sit there.

Hmm, a bit ostentatious on your part, don't you think,,,nothing in his question defined a narrow question as to seat. He was genuinely looking for information on what a King Air pays. As the 200 is a single pilot airplane, we routinely look for an SIC that has the basic skills to perform in the IFR system, regardless of their King Air proficiency. We the use them as an SIC, and actually take an interest in teaching them. We pay them $300.00 because that is a reasonable pay. Anything less is purely taking advantage. A person in the right seat, who can help navigate and communicate, is worth $300.00. Anything less diminishes the industry. We need to feed the next generation, because the way things are going, no one will be able to afford to be the future.

dn_wisconsin 03-03-2009 07:49 PM


Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18 (Post 568836)
whats the going daily rate on a king air 200 fo? 135 department that needs one per their ops specs?




Is that specific?

trafly 03-03-2009 09:29 PM


Originally Posted by Ewfflyer (Post 571137)
Is this position for Ops specs, or insurance? I was paid $75/day for this position, but it was only insurance requirements. We are talking a Be20 here folks, not something that requires 2 people. Depending on where you're located, it probably could/should be more, but honestly and obviously it's not a long-term position.

$75/day?! Thanks for helping the owners screw all of us.

RiddleEagle18 03-04-2009 05:41 AM

Hey guys left me clarify a few things.

First off thanks for all of the replies.

I was questioning about sitting in the right seat on a king air 200. This would be for a part 135 operation that needs an SIC per their ops specs as well as insurance requirements.

Location is central Florida area.

Heres another question for you guys. This would be a part time position. I am looking to get out of the 121 world and into the 91/135 world. I am considering this but would need to make money on the side until I could find a full time position.

What have some of your part time guys done on the side? Since it is part time, daily rate, I would assume that all the trips would be preplanned trips and they would use a full time FO for pop ups. How else could a "part time" guy feed his family if he was on call and unable to work another part time job?

dn_wisconsin 03-04-2009 06:27 AM

If you want to stay within the industry, I'd look into aircraft brokering, aviation insurance and maybe even instructing if you like it. The down side is the aviation industry sucks right now so no matter what you try it will be slow.

You said you're in central FL, have you look into flight safety or simcom? They like part time guys who can come and go when needed and I hear they pay pretty well.

RiddleEagle18 03-04-2009 07:44 AM


Originally Posted by dn_wisconsin (Post 571780)
If you want to stay within the industry, I'd look into aircraft brokering, aviation insurance and maybe even instructing if you like it. The down side is the aviation industry sucks right now so no matter what you try it will be slow.

You said you're in central FL, have you look into flight safety or simcom? They like part time guys who can come and go when needed and I hear they pay pretty well.


thanks ill take a look.

Zach 03-04-2009 09:34 AM


Originally Posted by rynrock9 (Post 569115)
For what its worth, at our company the day rate is $125 expenses paid for. 135 Mid-West company with 90's and 200's.

I make $100 a day to fuel airplanes.

AtlCSIP 06-18-2009 11:17 AM

Day rate
 
Our company (Part 135) pays $250/day for King Air 200 right seat, 500/day King Air 200 PIC. Not required per Op's specs, usually just client requested.

Natlaircharters 06-18-2009 11:55 AM

I was making around $50/flight hr with a $400/day cap flying a Navajo around part 91. Others I have talked to were making 4-500/day for KA C90 or 200 PIC.

GrummanCT 06-18-2009 07:43 PM

$500 left seat, $300 right seat and I wouldn't accept a dime less. You may not be a required crew member in the eyes of the FAA, but if that airplane doesn't roll without two pilots upfront, you damn well better be compensated accordingly.

tucker11 06-19-2009 12:10 PM

Nyspk9
 
Hey NYSPK9 - Fly out of Stewart? Would like to talk to you. I have a uncle who worked out of Monroe (SP) for 25+ years, you might know him.


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