New Type Rating Regs?
#1
New Type Rating Regs?
Has anyone else heard about new training requirements for initial type ratings for those who have no time in type? The new regs as proposed would mandate that a person with less than 500 hours time in type would have to do all the standard ground and sim training with a 142 school, then go do 2 IAPs (1 ILS, 1 non prec) and one take off and one landing.
If one has more than 500hrs in the airplane as SIC, then the standard upgrade training is all that is required.
My source: A training program manager at SimuFlite.
If one has more than 500hrs in the airplane as SIC, then the standard upgrade training is all that is required.
My source: A training program manager at SimuFlite.
#2
From the proposed rule, which goes into effect on Oct 20th:
§ 61.64 Use of a flight simulator and flight training device.
While I think I understand the logic behind such a change (principally geared toward new VLJ pilots) its really going to be a PITA for pilots transitioning to their first jet...
§ 61.64 Use of a flight simulator and flight training device.
(2) If the type rating is for a turbojet airplane, the applicant must—
(i) Hold a type rating in a turbojet airplane of the same class of airplane, and that type rating may not contain a supervised operating experience limitation;
(ii) Have 1,000 hours of flight time in two different turbojet airplanes of the same class of airplane;
(iii) Have been appointed by the U.S. Armed Forces as pilot in command in a turbojet airplane of the same class of airplane; or
(iv) Have 500 hours of flight time in the same type of airplane.
(3) If the type rating is for a turbo propeller airplane, the applicant must—
(i) Hold a type rating in a turbo-propeller airplane of the same class of airplane, and that type rating may not contain a supervised operating experience limitation;
(ii) Have 1,000 hours of flight time in two different turbo-propeller airplanes of the same class of airplane;
(iii) Have been appointed by the U.S. Armed Forces as pilot in command in a turbo-propeller airplane of the same class of airplane; or
(iv) Have 500 hours of flight time in the same type of airplane.
(4) If the applicant does not meet the requirements of paragraph (a)(2) or (a)(3) of this section, then—
(i) The applicant must complete the following tasks on the practical test in the airplane of the category, class, and type of airplane rating (if a type rating is applicable) for which the airplane rating applies: preflight inspection, normal takeoff, normal instrument landing system approach, missed approach, and normal landing.
(ii) After passing the practical test, the applicant's pilot certificate must state: “The [name the category, class, and type of airplane rating (if a type rating is applicable)] is subject to additional pilot in command limitations,” and the applicant is restricted from serving as pilot in command in that category, class, and type of airplane rating (if a type rating is applicable).
(iii) The limitation described under paragraph (a)(4)(ii) of this section may be removed from the applicant's pilot certificate if the applicant—
(A) Logs 25 hours of flight time in the category and class of airplane for the rating sought, and if a type rating is being sought, the flight time must be performed in the same type of airplane for the type rating sought;
(B) Performs 25 hours of flight time under the direct observation of the pilot in command who holds the appropriate airplane category, class, and type rating, without limitations, in the same category, class, and type of airplane rating, if a type rating is applicable;
(C) Logs each flight and the pilot in command who observed the flight attests to each flight;
(D) Obtains the flight time while in the pilot in command seat of the appropriate airplane category, class, and type, if a type rating is appropriate; and
(E) Has an Examiner review the pilot logbook and endorse that logbook, attesting to compliance with the required supervised operating experience.
(i) Hold a type rating in a turbojet airplane of the same class of airplane, and that type rating may not contain a supervised operating experience limitation;
(ii) Have 1,000 hours of flight time in two different turbojet airplanes of the same class of airplane;
(iii) Have been appointed by the U.S. Armed Forces as pilot in command in a turbojet airplane of the same class of airplane; or
(iv) Have 500 hours of flight time in the same type of airplane.
(3) If the type rating is for a turbo propeller airplane, the applicant must—
(i) Hold a type rating in a turbo-propeller airplane of the same class of airplane, and that type rating may not contain a supervised operating experience limitation;
(ii) Have 1,000 hours of flight time in two different turbo-propeller airplanes of the same class of airplane;
(iii) Have been appointed by the U.S. Armed Forces as pilot in command in a turbo-propeller airplane of the same class of airplane; or
(iv) Have 500 hours of flight time in the same type of airplane.
(4) If the applicant does not meet the requirements of paragraph (a)(2) or (a)(3) of this section, then—
(i) The applicant must complete the following tasks on the practical test in the airplane of the category, class, and type of airplane rating (if a type rating is applicable) for which the airplane rating applies: preflight inspection, normal takeoff, normal instrument landing system approach, missed approach, and normal landing.
(ii) After passing the practical test, the applicant's pilot certificate must state: “The [name the category, class, and type of airplane rating (if a type rating is applicable)] is subject to additional pilot in command limitations,” and the applicant is restricted from serving as pilot in command in that category, class, and type of airplane rating (if a type rating is applicable).
(iii) The limitation described under paragraph (a)(4)(ii) of this section may be removed from the applicant's pilot certificate if the applicant—
(A) Logs 25 hours of flight time in the category and class of airplane for the rating sought, and if a type rating is being sought, the flight time must be performed in the same type of airplane for the type rating sought;
(B) Performs 25 hours of flight time under the direct observation of the pilot in command who holds the appropriate airplane category, class, and type rating, without limitations, in the same category, class, and type of airplane rating, if a type rating is applicable;
(C) Logs each flight and the pilot in command who observed the flight attests to each flight;
(D) Obtains the flight time while in the pilot in command seat of the appropriate airplane category, class, and type, if a type rating is appropriate; and
(E) Has an Examiner review the pilot logbook and endorse that logbook, attesting to compliance with the required supervised operating experience.
#3
Thanks man,
Yeah, it's gonna be a real PITA. It'll probably have a negative affect on 142 schools as well since they can't issue initial types to guys with no flight time in the airplane.
I was going to get a free type from SimuFlite through their right seat program, but I guess that's going to change now...
It kinda makes sense for the VLJs though...
Yeah, it's gonna be a real PITA. It'll probably have a negative affect on 142 schools as well since they can't issue initial types to guys with no flight time in the airplane.
I was going to get a free type from SimuFlite through their right seat program, but I guess that's going to change now...
It kinda makes sense for the VLJs though...
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"(ii) Have 1,000 hours of flight time in two different turbojet airplanes of the same class of airplane;"
Does this mean you need 1000 hours in EACH different airplane for a total of 2000 hours or , for example, 990 hours in a lear 35 and 10 hours in a Citation?
Does this mean you need 1000 hours in EACH different airplane for a total of 2000 hours or , for example, 990 hours in a lear 35 and 10 hours in a Citation?
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Hopefully they will change it back but hope is not a strategy.
#10
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I'm OK with the reg if it included some "ors." Say I'm typed in a 737 and E-190 with thousands of hours between the two planes and I'm currently flying as a captain with not even a circling limitation, it's rather lame that if I was to get typed in an A320, I'd have a limitation slapped on my A320 type because I don't have 500 hours in type.
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