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Old 01-26-2010, 09:16 AM
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Looking to separate from the military in two years, but have a couple questions regarding experience / hours conversion. I'm specifically posting this in the corporate thread, hoping someone smart on military and civil can shed some light.

-I've got 700 hrs B-52H SIC time, no type rating exists for that. Can I count this as multi-turbine SIC with no restrictions?

-I had a multi ATP before going to pilot training (UPT). At UPT I picked up 200 hours in T-37B and T-38A (multiengine jet). Although not "rated" in the airplane, can I log this as PIC?

If I had the option to stay in and build more time I would, but currently in a non-flying billet.

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Old 01-26-2010, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 2xAGM114
-I've got 700 hrs B-52H SIC time, no type rating exists for that. Can I count this as multi-turbine SIC with no restrictions?
Yes.

-I had a multi ATP before going to pilot training (UPT). At UPT I picked up 200 hours in T-37B and T-38A (multiengine jet). Although not "rated" in the airplane, can I log this as PIC?
While I can't speak specifically to the military world, I believe the only time you can log in this situation is when you were responsible for the airplane (solo, or acting as IP/AC).
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Old 01-26-2010, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 2xAGM114 View Post
Looking to separate from the military in two years, but have a couple questions regarding experience / hours conversion. I'm specifically posting this in the corporate thread, hoping someone smart on military and civil can shed some light.

-I've got 700 hrs B-52H SIC time, no type rating exists for that. Can I count this as multi-turbine SIC with no restrictions?

-I had a multi ATP before going to pilot training (UPT). At UPT I picked up 200 hours in T-37B and T-38A (multiengine jet). Although not "rated" in the airplane, can I log this as PIC?

If I had the option to stay in and build more time I would, but currently in a non-flying billet.

Thanks.
You can count all 700 hours of your B-52 time as SIC, unless it was a mission where 3 or more pilots were required. In that case, you could only count 2/3 of the flight time as SIC, for example, if 3 pilots were required (the time not spent as SIC would be counted as "OTHER").

For your T-37/T-38 UPT time, you can only count your solo time as PIC, but most airlines don't want you to count it that way. I counted all my solo UPT time as SOLO, not PIC, even though I had an ATP before going to UPT.

The more conservative you are when logging your time, the better. There is no quicker way to end a job interview than if they think you're trying to get cute with inflating your flight time.

Speaking of corporate jobs, my experience has been that most corporate guys don't enjoy it. It's like being on call 24/7 with no breaks. Many times you're expected to come in when you're not flying and wash and wax the plane, and crap like that.

The only guys I've met who enjoy it are the ones who work for very large companys like Exxon or Procter & Gamble. Companies like this have very large flight departments with many pilots and airplanes, so you end up with more of an airline pilot type of schedule with a lot more time off.

Moreover, many times, corporate jobs require you to have a whole lot more experience than airline jobs. They often require you to already have a type rating in their particular airplane as well, which can cost you up to $75K.

Part 135 jet charter jobs don't require so much experience, but the pay really sucks, and you only get a couple of days off per month.

Good luck!
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Speaking of corporate jobs, my experience has been that most corporate guys don't enjoy it. It's like being on call 24/7 with no breaks. Many times you're expected to come in when you're not flying and wash and wax the plane, and crap like that.
Wow. I can't begin to describe what's wrong with this paragraph. Let the corporate guys discuss corporate, because you're butchering it.

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Old 01-26-2010, 01:48 PM
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Thanks for the replies, some good info. This brings up another question:

With 700hrs heavy jet SIC, plus 3000 of civil CFI/II time: does that put me in the ballpark of getting hired at a company that pays a living wage (support a family)? Thanks
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With 700hrs heavy jet SIC, plus 3000 of civil CFI/II time: does that put me in the ballpark of getting hired at a company that pays a living wage (support a family)? Thanks
Probably not, at least not in a 91/135 job and even less of a chance in this economy with so many higher-qualified bizav pilots out of work...UNLESS you know somebody who will give you a look, and there's no larger or stronger a pilot network than Uncle Sam's Flying Club.

Best of luck to you!
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Originally Posted by 2xAGM114 View Post
Thanks for the replies, some good info. This brings up another question:

With 700hrs heavy jet SIC, plus 3000 of civil CFI/II time: does that put me in the ballpark of getting hired at a company that pays a living wage (support a family)? Thanks
(if I may) take the first corporate gig that's tossed your way, even if its a small turbo-prop.. the long-range G-V and Global Express jobs will come later... for now concentrate on getting some corporate pilot experience.. as Boilerup mentioned, you will be competing with many out of work, very experienced corporate pilots .... NJI (NetJets International) just furloughed 30 Gulfstream type-rated pilots. You're gonna be going up against those guys, no easy task.

You have 700 hrs in a heavy jet, that's great, but get some corporte experience....

I'm always pulling for you mil guys....
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Old 01-26-2010, 05:39 PM
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With 700hrs heavy jet SIC, plus 3000 of civil CFI/II time: does that put me in the ballpark of getting hired at a company that pays a living wage (support a family)? Thanks[/quote]
It may depend on how much of those 3000 hours are multi engine and the type of a/c. The inevitable question will likely be, "why did you not get any PIC time or become an a/c commander while flying the B52?" There is probably a good explanation that perhaps only a former military guy who is currently doing corporate may understand. I do not think I would try to make a living in this industry at this point if I had to start over. What is wrong with staying on active duty? The money is strong. What about going to a different airplane?
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The inevitable question will likely be, "why did you not get any PIC time or become an a/c commander while flying the B52?"
UAVs happened.

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What about going to a different airplane?
Unable. UAVs is a one-way turnstile right now. If dudes like me ever want to fly again, it will have to be civilian.
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You need to explore palace chase and joing a guard or reserve unit. If you're hellbent on staying with buffs you might be out of luck going this route. But my guess is since you flew -38's you'd be interested in a fighter maybe? If so there are a bunch of fighter units out there that would look at hiring a guy like you. However, the number of fighter units is decreasing and being replaced by,...yes,...as you know all to well the UAV world. If you're not interested in flying fighters, there are still a lot of options out there in the guard/reserve world flying heavies,...which if your goal someday is to go airlines.......
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