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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
(Post 907314)
Its not impossible, but really difficult to be seriously considered for 99% of corporate jobs without an ATP - especially in tight times.
That said, I was hired at my current employer back in late 2007 without an ATP, without any type ratings, and as a regional jet FO - but I was very well connected which served to only get me the interview, not the job. Same here... |
Originally Posted by Crossroads123
(Post 907312)
This is my first post on this site. I recently resigned from an FO position at a 121 regional. I was there for three years. I have just over 3000 hours. Long term I just couldn't see how pursuing an airline career would ever really give me the quality of life I really want. Rather than sit around and complain I decided to reach for some other goals. Im planning on continuing my education, and I fly in a very part time capacity for a company.
Im just wondering if any of you corporate guise can offer me any advice. I would love to find the right corporate job and keep flying. Having done some corporate flying in the past I know its not all roses. I also know its super competitve right now. I have no illusions that I'll walk right into my dream job. I would like to start down this road though and get my foot in the door. Is there any other advice beyond networking. Should I go pay to get my ATP? How do I be the guy they are looking for? I did have an ATP and about 4000 hours at the time |
Thanks for the comments! I actually left SkyWest. Its good to hear from others who have already taken the same steps I have, and share my sentiment. We'll see what happens. For now I'll pursue an MBA and look for more opportunities. It looks like there may be some movement in the industry in the next few years. Maybe some corporate guise will get suckered into going the airline route opening up corporate opportunities.
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I left the regional world for a corporate/charter job. I have really enjoyed 91 flying but I have had too many friends working for what most would consider great corp gigs only to get laid off due to this economy.
I have had my fair share of scares and am tired of having to worry where my next job will be. SO..... I am going to try to go back to the airlines. A legacy carrier though. IF you can get on with company that can't efficiently do business without corporate aircraft then I see some stability with those kind of jobs. Just my opinion....Good luck |
I skipped the first 40 posts, but if it hasn't already been said, don't do it.
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Originally Posted by fisherpilot
(Post 907868)
I left the regional world for a corporate/charter job. I have really enjoyed 91 flying but I have had too many friends working for what most would consider great corp gigs only to get laid off due to this economy.
I have had my fair share of scares and am tired of having to worry where my next job will be. SO..... I am going to try to go back to the airlines. A legacy carrier though. IF you can get on with company that can't efficiently do business without corporate aircraft then I see some stability with those kind of jobs. Just my opinion....Good luck I'm not sure you are trading for any more security in airlines than you corporate, but I sincerely wish you the best. Kevin |
Originally Posted by pilotmiketx
(Post 918529)
I skipped the first 40 posts, but if it hasn't already been said, don't do it.
I haven't read all the post either... but I'd say do it. Best move, QOL/pay I've ever experienced. |
Originally Posted by ashcroft
(Post 901723)
Hey Guys/Girls,
I'm looking to get out of the Part 121 world and into corporate flying. Do any of you have any good advice on how to go about it. Please try to keep this thread on topic if you don't mind. Currently I have about 7500 hours total time, 5000 turbine, 3400 PIC turbine and a couple of type ratings (just not on corporate jets) and am sitting in the pool for a major airline so it's not that I don't have the time requirements for just about any job it's more of I've been in the 121 world for 8 yrs now and have had my fill of it. I want something more involved and more challenging than what this job offers. Thanks for any imput or advice. |
Originally Posted by Climbto450
(Post 920027)
My recomendation is don't, stay in 121. Corporate is to unpredictable one day you make 100k+ then you are out of work. This industry has some good jobs but they are few and far between. Unless it is with an established fortune 500 company it isn't worth leaving. You also have to rememeber that corporate jobs come and go. NBAA states that the average corporate job lasts 3 1/2 years, then you get to go look for another one. In order to always be employed you have only a few metropolitan areas that you can live in LA, NY, South Florida, and parts of Texas, every other area may have a job for you now but in a couple of years when you get laid off it may be hard to find another one in the same city. I left 121 for corporate back in 99, it was a mistake. I just saw the money and jumped ship (BEX/AE) I am trying to get back, but to a legacy/major carrier (Delta,JB). I realize that 121 can be boring but at least you don't have to live in an expensive metropolitan area and get stabed in the back by the guys you fly with. I am not a union fan but it does one thing well (protect pilots from pilots) corporate is a "dog eat dog" industry compared to the 121 world. Good luck with your decision!!
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Originally Posted by Climbto450
(Post 920027)
My recomendation is don't, stay in 121. Corporate is to unpredictable one day you make 100k+ then you are out of work. This industry has some good jobs but they are few and far between. Unless it is with an established fortune 500 company it isn't worth leaving. You also have to rememeber that corporate jobs come and go. NBAA states that the average corporate job lasts 3 1/2 years, then you get to go look for another one. In order to always be employed you have only a few metropolitan areas that you can live in LA, NY, South Florida, and parts of Texas, every other area may have a job for you now but in a couple of years when you get laid off it may be hard to find another one in the same city. I left 121 for corporate back in 99, it was a mistake. I just saw the money and jumped ship (BEX/AE) I am trying to get back, but to a legacy/major carrier (Delta,JB). I realize that 121 can be boring but at least you don't have to live in an expensive metropolitan area and get stabed in the back by the guys you fly with. I am not a union fan but it does one thing well (protect pilots from pilots) corporate is a "dog eat dog" industry compared to the 121 world. Good luck with your decision!!
My take, at present, if I'm at any legacy airline, I'd definetly stay. If I'm at Jetblue, Airtran, or Spirit, I'd probably play it safe and stay, but it'd depend on the job... Southwest Airlines is a great company, tremendous potential, doesn't get any better than that, but its not the type of flying I want to do, that's all. Its a different story for guys at the regionals, their QOL sucks, their pay is disgusting low, and once you hit 1000-1500 turbine PIC, you're really not gaining any more valuable experience.... Once you hit that 1000 PIC, flying LGA-ALB-LGA-SYR-LGA-BUF day after day doesn't do a whole lot for your resume.... As for being forced to reside wherever the job is, the airlines open and close bases whenever they want, commuting to work is no picnic, flights are full and crash pads are expensive... As my flight instructor once said, "people who get comfortable are the people that get stuck at crappy jobs"...I'm not saying take any job that is tossed your way, but sucess in life involves risks.. we're all different. corporate flying worked out very nice for me (so far), otherwise I'm sure I'd be singing a different tune... |
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