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gocanucks 12-23-2010 12:10 PM

Stick Pushers
 
I have heard some conflicting reports on the reasons why some manufacturers choose to outfit their aircraft with stick pushers. I am aware that some aircraft have pushers while others don't. Does anyone have background information as to the certification process, and/or requirements that mandate some aircraft to have them (Gulfstream) while others do not (Falcons)? I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this subject, and specifically, if an aircraft has a stick pusher, does that mean it has an inherant design flaw if allowed to approach a deep stall condition? Thanks in advance.

ce650 12-23-2010 12:26 PM

Falcons dont stall.

BoilerUP 12-23-2010 12:29 PM

I certainly wouldn't say "design flaw"....swept-wing jets don't tend to aerodynamically react well to a wing stall, and my guess is how a particular wing & aircraft behave in full stall is how some end up with pushers while others do not.

UnusualAttitude 12-23-2010 12:42 PM

My understanding is that with Transport Category aircraft with T-tails require a stick pusher due to the possibility to enter "deep stall conditions."

PW305 12-23-2010 01:44 PM

When they put delta fins on the 55C which morphed into the LR60 they realized that the deltas helped to pitch the nose down and they took out the stick pusher. They also took away one yaw damp and allow us to dispatch without it at all, unlike the LR series.

Can't comment on other T-tails

NowCorporate 12-23-2010 05:02 PM

Fly By Wire and stop worrying about that 1980 crap.

:)

AKASHA 12-23-2010 05:54 PM


Originally Posted by NowCorporate (Post 920720)
Fly By Wire and stop worrying about that 1980 crap.

:)

Yea... hey, just engage the autopilot and forget about it. Good answer :rolleyes: Or pretend you're flying and the wire is not there... hmmm.... good ol days when we used to fly.... back in the crap 80's...

NowCorporate 12-23-2010 11:52 PM


Originally Posted by AKASHA (Post 920749)
Yea... hey, just engage the autopilot and forget about it. Good answer :rolleyes: Or pretend you're flying and the wire is not there... hmmm.... good ol days when we used to fly.... back in the crap 80's...

Who said anything about Autopilots?

I hand fly a brand new FBW plane far more than I ever flew a 1980s POS
Learjet....

Note the smiley face and get off my lawn Pops!!! - lighten up or Santas gonna bring you coal.

7Xdriver 12-24-2010 04:58 AM


Originally Posted by NowCorporate (Post 920720)
Fly By Wire and stop worrying about that 1980 crap.

:)


Hehehe....no wait, I fly a 900 too :o

AKASHA 12-24-2010 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by NowCorporate (Post 920826)
Who said anything about Autopilots?

I hand fly a brand new FBW plane far more than I ever flew a 1980s POS
Learjet....

Note the smiley face and get off my lawn Pops!!! - lighten up or Santas gonna bring you coal.

well you're right. no more egg nog for me. merry xmas.


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