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Originally Posted by NavyAviator
(Post 1023229)
I'm retiring this year and considering the +/-'s of corp vs 121 (or other) and the problem
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Originally Posted by Globaldriver53
(Post 1023692)
Where else; CHINA :)
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Originally Posted by landlover
(Post 1023857)
just retire.
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Originally Posted by NavyAviator
(Post 1024020)
You must not be very familiar with the military retirement system. I suppose if I had been very frugal in my 22 years it would be possible and then I'd have to continue to live quite frugally. Not complaining. It's more than many pilots make, at least at the beginning of their careers admittedly, and it'll keep food on the table and a roof over my head. The way I look at it, it allows me the freedom to be more selective of my next employer.
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Originally Posted by landlover
(Post 1024278)
well if you decide to go corporate, PLEASE don't undercut or work for less because you can afford to with your government retirement.
Many military guys come out with the mindset that they'll be more competitive if they offer to accept lower wage simply because they're also drawing their military retirement. As you can imagine, this puts an unnecessary downward pressure on the rest of corporate pilot salaries. Please, if this is the case, stick to 121 and go fly for the airlines. They're used to racing to the bottom, and you'll definitely need your military retirement to survive the first few years. There are several corporate/business jet pilot salary surveys published annually. Additionally, if you go the contract pilot route, there are contract pilot rates available on the internet as well. Stick to those. Good luck! |
Originally Posted by NavyAviator
(Post 1024020)
You must not be very familiar with the military retirement system. I suppose if I had been very frugal in my 22 years it would be possible and then I'd have to continue to live quite frugally. Not complaining. It's more than many pilots make, at least at the beginning of their careers admittedly, and it'll keep food on the table and a roof over my head. The way I look at it, it allows me the freedom to be more selective of my next employer.
Seeing you are somewhat new I will tell you that even though plenty of good info can be found here , you need be able to ignore the uneducated and ill informed. |
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Originally Posted by NavyAviator
(Post 1024010)
Figures! Too bad. Been there and enjoyed my ports of call but I'm not quite ready to be an expat yet.
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Originally Posted by Globaldriver53
(Post 1023518)
Flying a Global Express, grossed $200K+ last year, getting a new G650 in a couple of years, pay to go up accordingly, yyke back buddy. No bidding, flying 400/500 hours a year, 4 star hotels, generous meal allowance, paid internet, laundry, uniforms, full medical with loss of license, Cadillac medical with life....Enough? Don't go there pal :)
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Originally Posted by NavyAviator
(Post 1023229)
Ok. Assuming average G-V pay is enough, what I’d like to know from the G-V guys is what their sked/time away fm home is like? I'm retiring this year and considering the +/-'s of corp vs 121 (or other) and the problem I keep coming up against with corp is that to get paid descent (see assumption above) you have to go big, like with the G-V's. No shock there, and true, to get paid descent in 121 ops it's usually the same (SWA excluded), but 121 time off seems more predictable and with seniority more likely. The intel I keep getting about large corp jet drivers is that it's not predictable, it's usually across the pond (that's why the corp bought a G-V after all), and because of that you're gone a LOT. Probably more than the 121 pilot in any fleet size. From what I’m reading here, perhaps this is not your experience? Agree or disagree?
Truthfully, I think I would like the type/variety of corp ops over 121, but I’ve got a family and I’d like to keep it. I’d like to work in a place where I can know my sked far enough in advance (and that it won’t usually change the night prior against my will) that I can count on going to important family events. I definitely don’t want to be gone more than a 121 pilot. Where can I be home most nights with the most pay? 121 or corp? And to be clear again, I’m ok with 150K. |
Originally Posted by Senior Skipper
(Post 1041487)
I have one question for somebody like you...
Are you guys hiring?:D |
Am I the only one who finds these "my situation is better than your situation" posts absolutely ponderous? Each side has its advantages and disadvantages, there are great 121 gigs and even better corporate gigs. To each his own. I'm currently flying 91, same company for 7 years, good money, bonus, 95% weekends off, 2/3 day trips most common, little international, company amex, nice hotels, etc. I'll make sure my guy has fresh Nutter Butters and Diet Dr. Pepper if that provides me a good paycheck, decent job security and a great QOL.
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
(Post 1023000)
Really? What sucks about it?
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Originally Posted by Climbto450
(Post 1110435)
THE PRICE OF HOUSING!!! not to mention high gas and horrible traffic. 150k in socal means you are lucky to get a house in the inland empire or Santa Clarita valley/simi valley. This means lots of traffic to get to work 38 mile drive equals 1 1/2 to 2 hour commute and the some of the highest gas costs in the country.
Basically, if median income for the region cannot buy you a traditional family home over a traditional 15 or 30 year mortgage and without the shady adjustable rate, negative amortization mortgage scams, something is seriously wrong. In my opinion, the prices in SoCal are still insane because everyone is still drunk or hung over from the housing bubble, and some more of that "good sh*t." Or is it that employers aren't paying enough? I can tell you this... 150k in SoCal is far above the median income, and if it can't get you into a single family house in a decent neighborhood because of the housing price insanity, you may be better off renting anyway. |
Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
(Post 1111065)
If the graph depicting cost of housing and income is not parallel for the area, something is out of whack and has to give.
Basically, if median income for the region cannot buy you a traditional family home over a traditional 15 or 30 year mortgage and without the shady adjustable rate, negative amortization mortgage scams, something is seriously wrong. In my opinion, the prices in SoCal are still insane because everyone is still drunk or hung over from the housing bubble, and some more of that "good sh*t." Or is it that employers aren't paying enough? I can tell you this... 150k in SoCal is far above the median income, and if it can't get you into a single family house in a decent neighborhood because of the housing price insanity, you may be better off renting anyway. |
In SoCal you end up paying the "sunshine tax" just for being there. Everything is more expensive. I remember reading that once your income reaches $49K, a 9% state income tax kicks in - and that $49K threshold is far lower than in most states. So, you can kiss a big part of your salary goodbye to pay for union pensions throughout the state. California, New Jersey and New York have terrible state taxes.
I agree with the old saying regarding California, "it's a great place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there." If you do live there, you better have dual incomes if you are married - no way you can survive without decent dual incomes (hope your spouse is a dentist, partner in a law firm or a surgeon brining in the cash). |
Originally Posted by Climbto450
(Post 1111288)
You can get into a home in lower income neigborhoods and poor overcrowded schools for your kids. Houses are still far to expensive in socal for an average to nice area with good schools and safe streets. However, you can always rent!! Yes 150K is way above the mean income of around 45k for the average person / employee in socal but what does that get you?
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
(Post 1112203)
You tell me... 150k a year is 12.5k per month gross. Assume you're married with 2 kids, you get dinged 4k in taxes per month so your net will be around 8.5k.
Not enough to live in a nice area? Or do you have to keep up with the Joneses? Ah yes....yet another pilot who judges from his moms rent-free basement. If you think you will have 8.5K avail to keep up with the Joneses on 150K you may want to consider a few things you missed that most in the real world have to contend with: - State taxes - County taxes? - City taxes? - Property taxes (House/car/boat) - Sales taxes You are now down to about 50% How about these: - Retirement (oh yeah, that) - Savings (got 1 years cash on hand?) - College fund (little Johnny gonna get a scholarship?) Now this: - do you have any hobbies? - do you eat? - Do you wear clothes? - have any pets? - Cars break? (lets assume mommy bought you them and no payments) - Do you buy gifts? (kids events, birthday, xmas?) - Do you ever take a vacation? - do you give back some to charity? etc...etc. Hold off on that new BWM Captain, lots to consider before worrying about keeping up with the Joneses. You should think more about keeping up with the migrant farm workers...as what they make in cash is about what you will have after you, the wife, and kiddies live like responsible SoCal citizens. SoCal makes even other metro area look expensive as the semi-nice areas are right next to ghettos. Ghetto areas mean private schools, add 10K+ to your above notes. There is no driving a little further to live better/rural as I can reasonably do in the NY area etc. Taxes are horrendous compared to most. Any idea what it costs to register a car in SoCal? Its not my idea of a family area on 150K, not by ANY stretch. Yes I think one CAN live on 150K anywhere...maybe not how I want to live, hence we (like most pilots?) have other income means...but the idea that you pay minumum federal tax and have the rest for a nice house and a golf club membership is a bit of a stretch. Good Luck. |
Originally Posted by NowCorporate
(Post 1112238)
Ah yes....yet another pilot who judges from his moms rent-free basement.
If you think you will have 8.5K avail to keep up with the Joneses on 150K you may want to consider a few things you missed that most in the real world have to contend with: - State taxes - County taxes? - City taxes? - Property taxes (House/car/boat) - Sales taxes You are now down to about 50% How about these: - Retirement (oh yeah, that) - Savings (got 1 years cash on hand?) - College fund (little Johnny gonna get a scholarship?) Now this: - do you have any hobbies? - do you eat? - Do you wear clothes? - have any pets? - Cars break? (lets assume mommy bought you them and no payments) - Do you buy gifts? (kids events, birthday, xmas?) - Do you ever take a vacation? - do you give back some to charity? etc...etc. Hold off on that new BWM Captain, lots to consider before worrying about keeping up with the Joneses. You should think more about keeping up with the migrant farm workers...as what they make in cash is about what you will have after you, the wife, and kiddies live like responsible SoCal citizens. SoCal makes even other metro area look expensive as the semi-nice areas are right next to ghettos. Ghetto areas mean private schools, add 10K+ to your above notes. There is no driving a little further to live better/rural as I can reasonably do in the NY area etc. Taxes are horrendous compared to most. Any idea what it costs to register a car in SoCal? Its not my idea of a family area on 150K, not by ANY stretch. Yes I think one CAN live on 150K anywhere...maybe not how I want to live, hence we (like most pilots?) have other income means...but the idea that you pay minumum federal tax and have the rest for a nice house and a golf club membership is a bit of a stretch. Good Luck. But I digress... The housing in SoCal has really gone off the deep end, and that is the driving force indeed. But again, things boil down to individual choices. Do you have to drive a BMW, or will a Toyota do? Do you have to live in a 3500 square foot house, or will an apartment in a nice part of town do for the time being? We lived in a gated community decent size apartment in coastal Orange County while the house I own elsewhere was rented out; my kids went to a decent school. We could ride bikes to the beach, or we could even walk as we lived about a mile from the beach, or we hopped in the car and drove down. We lived a rather active outdoorsy lifestyle (surfing, snowboarding, fishing off Catalina, road trips, etc.) and had a lot of fun in the process. All of this during the run-up in real estate prices, and I wasn't making anywhere near 150k. See, what I've noticed in SoCal, and most notably in Orange County (think Newport Beach area) is that you have a lot of pretentious, self-centered, egotistical people who will drive themselves into major debt just to keep up with the Joneses for no other purpose than just for show, and live way outside their means because they have to show to others they live like millionaires. If you've made your fortune and live within your means as a millionaire, good for you. In SoCal, you're right in that you can't live like a rockstar on 150k a year, but to compare a family living off of 150k with migrant workers is... a bit too dramatic, especially considering that median income for the region is substantially less, about a third actually. You can have a nice middle class lifestyle in SoCal on 150k a year by living within your means, and anyone who tells you otherwise is... a bit of a drama queen. ;) |
I know a lot of military families living quite well in the SoCal area. It isn't for everyone, myself included, and I think that everything there is ridiculously expensive, but unless you have some notion of how big a house you must have or what kind of car you must drive, or you have to save/ invest half your salary per year for retirement, then you can make it just fine. If you do need to accomplish the items above then you probably need to live somewhere else in the country to achieve them at the same pay. Choices.
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
(Post 1112733)
You know... condescension is a very ugly trait that is usually used to hide some sort of inadequacy. What's worse is that it shows complete lack of class. Hardly a good trait for a corporate pilot, even for one based in NY... ;)
But I digress... The housing in SoCal has really gone off the deep end, and that is the driving force indeed. But again, things boil down to individual choices. Do you have to drive a BMW, or will a Toyota do? Do you have to live in a 3500 square foot house, or will an apartment in a nice part of town do for the time being? We lived in a gated community decent size apartment in coastal Orange County while the house I own elsewhere was rented out; my kids went to a decent school. We could ride bikes to the beach, or we could even walk as we lived about a mile from the beach, or we hopped in the car and drove down. We lived a rather active outdoorsy lifestyle (surfing, snowboarding, fishing off Catalina, road trips, etc.) and had a lot of fun in the process. All of this during the run-up in real estate prices, and I wasn't making anywhere near 150k. See, what I've noticed in SoCal, and most notably in Orange County (think Newport Beach area) is that you have a lot of pretentious, self-centered, egotistical people who will drive themselves into major debt just to keep up with the Joneses for no other purpose than just for show, and live way outside their means because they have to show to others they live like millionaires. If you've made your fortune and live within your means as a millionaire, good for you. In SoCal, you're right in that you can't live like a rockstar on 150k a year, but to compare a family living off of 150k with migrant workers is... a bit too dramatic, especially considering that median income for the region is substantially less, about a third actually. You can have a nice middle class lifestyle in SoCal on 150k a year by living within your means, and anyone who tells you otherwise is... a bit of a drama queen. ;) You lost this drama queen at living in an apartment with my family...:rolleyes:...Sorry, most of us didn't work hard to get to that point (G550/650 PIC in this thread) for that. Call me self centered and pretentious I guess... Underpaid pilots are notorious martyrs, but I will certainly agree that one persons acceptable means of living if far from anothers. I know plenty of people in SoCal, and I know others who have tried going there (very recently) They only went there because they were forced to (relocation or unemployment) It's expensive and GOOD corp pilot opportunities are a small fraction of what they are in other major metro areas. To each his own, and I'm sure they have plenty of applicants (qualified is another story) but I know that neither myself, nor any guys I know, would consider a 150K job in SoCal if the expectation was to move there with family. Good Luck. |
Can't speak for SoCal, but in the NY-Boston area, 150K is a good starting point, even managed planes are paying captains that. We just had a guy leave for an offer seriously above 150K.
GF |
Originally Posted by NowCorporate
(Post 1112818)
Yeah, there ya go...but you wont provide details on that 150K family of 4 in SoCal I see...take 5 mins and humor us will ya? You went from keeping up with the Joneses with your $8500 a month in cash to renting apartments pretty quick.
You lost this drama queen at living in an apartment with my family...:rolleyes:...Sorry, most of us didn't work hard to get to that point (G550/650 PIC in this thread) for that. Call me self centered and pretentious I guess... Underpaid pilots are notorious martyrs, but I will certainly agree that one persons acceptable means of living if far from anothers. I know plenty of people in SoCal, and I know others who have tried going there (very recently) They only went there because they were forced to (relocation or unemployment) It's expensive and GOOD corp pilot opportunities are a small fraction of what they are in other major metro areas. To each his own, and I'm sure they have plenty of applicants (qualified is another story) but I know that neither myself, nor any guys I know, would consider a 150K job in SoCal if the expectation was to move there with family. Good Luck. Claiming married and using Federal Withholding of 4 in SoCal at $12,500/month will net you $8,659.82 per month. California Salary Paycheck Calculator | Payroll Calculator | Paycheck City I'll use Huntington Beach as a guideline, and let's settle for renting a 3 bedroom townhouse - $2500/month (a bit on a higher side of average, but OK). In SoCal, rent usually includes water and trash service. You're down to $6,100 - roughly. Home utilities (cable, gas, electric) $500 - one good thing about living in coastal SoCal - nice breeze and no need for a/c. Down to $5,700. Now... decision time. Do you buy an SUV with all the bells and whistles or do you "settle" for a Camry or something more down to earth? Personally, I don't drive a brand new car - I let someone else take pay the "drive-off-the-lot" penalty. I'll take a quality preowned car. For example, I bought a 1 year old Dodge Ram 1500 with long bed that only had like 12,000 miles on it, and still under warranty. My payment was little under $400/month. My other car was 4 years old and paid off... but let's say you get something fancier that runs you say $700/month. Throw in full coverage insurance on it, let's call it $1,500/month for transportation. Now you're down to $4,200. Food/groceries for a family of 4 - $1500/month. Down to $2,700/month remaining. These are rather rough figures, and erring on the higher side. I don't see mingling with the migrant workers on this budget... :rolleyes:... unless you're hiring them to do some manual labor for you. But as you said, to each their own... some are happy making 75k a year pushing an Excel and are absolutely happy with their lifestyle, others make $200k a year as large cabin PIC and are absolutely miserable. It all boils down to an individual and his/her choices. |
Good start man!....now go account for the other 75% of my rough list.
Guess you dont save for retirement, college, or plain old savings? Hope your flying job never goes away. Long term plans? A paid off house is a LARGE percentage of a retirement egg. You are a renter. Anyhow, I guess lets not worry about the future? Guess your company pays 100% of medical/dental/vision? My share at a Fortune 5 department was approx 8k/yr for a family of 4. Do you have life insurance? Guess you dont put $5/gal SoCal gas in your 8mpg truck? (1k+/month?) Guess you dont register it (is that now approx $1000 in SoCal?) does a Dodge pickup ever break? need tires? (tap that savings we never accounted for?) Guess you dont have Xmas, vacations, socialize? do you buy clothes? Are these optional items these days? When did your $2700 extra dollars run out? might wanna cancel the yacht club social with the Joneses and forget hiring the farm workers, in fact you might to ask them if you can fill in during strawberry season. But of course this back and forth can go on all day and accomplish little....just try to have a grasp of reality before you play the underpaid pilot martyr denouncing all the frivolous SoCal spenders in todays crazy world....:rolleyes: You are currently only accounting for about 1/2 of what most normal people need to have what is considered a decent living......and I disagree 100% - the missing items aren't "choices" - they are required basics. Again, to each his own is likely the best way to leave it....;) |
Right off the bat--$2700 is a ball park figure for savings monthly--college, 401(k) and emergency fund. So RJS is out of pocket for "out of pocket" expenses.
GF |
Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
(Post 1112917)
Can't speak for SoCal, but in the NY-Boston area, 150K is a good starting point, even managed planes are paying captains that. We just had a guy leave for an offer seriously above 150K.
GF You had better clear out your inbox GF :D USMCFLYR |
NowCorporate -
Can you show us an example budget including all of the items that you detail and give us a figure of what YOU think would be required to live in SoCal using whatever QOL you are trying to use as an example? USMCFLYR |
Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
(Post 1113161)
NowCorporate -
Can you show us an example budget including all of the items that you detail and give us a figure of what YOU think would be required to live in SoCal using whatever QOL you are trying to use as an example? USMCFLYR I gave my list of the basics in my 2 posts...anyone can figure out what they cost, and to what level they want to fund them....or just leave them out an call them luxury/frivilous items...:eek: You know, minor stuff in life like retirement, savings, college, medical, auto repairs, gasoline, clothes, holidays, vacations, emergencies, hobbies, etc etc....nevermind the fact that you will never own a home there. Call me old fashioned, but I want to raise my family in a home, not a freaking apartment. Some call that extraneous I suppose...:o Since when did thinking about the future, preparing for the downturns, and god forbid getting ahead a little (none of these were considered here) become "keeping up with the Joneses" Martyr pilots...no thanks, they can keep it. I have worked too hard to accept that....but to each his own. No shortage of experts on the internet, right? :) |
USMCFLYR
There was some specifics to this individual, experience, management offer, etc that led to leaving. Let's just say an offer he couldn't refuse, in a good way. Not sure if we will hire, too soon to say. Funny thing about corporate, some guys get calls out of the blue with good offers! GF |
Originally Posted by NowCorporate
(Post 1113201)
???
I gave my list of the basics in my 2 posts...anyone can figure out what they cost, and to what level they want to fund them....or just leave them out an call them luxury/frivilous items...:eek: You know, minor stuff in life like retirement, savings, college, medical, auto repairs, gasoline, clothes, holidays, vacations, emergencies, hobbies, etc etc....nevermind the fact that you will never own a home there. Call me old fashioned, but I want to raise my family in a home, not a freaking apartment. Some call that extraneous I suppose...:o Since when did thinking about the future, preparing for the downturns, and god forbid getting ahead a little (none of these were considered here) become "keeping up with the Joneses" Martyr pilots...no thanks, they can keep it. I have worked too hard to accept that....but to each his own. No shortage of experts on the internet, right? :) So........would you like to throw out some numbers that make sense and add to your point of view? You seem to be taking my post as some sort of an affront to yours'. It isn't. I do view it somewhat in this manner though. If I were a multi-millionaire and read a post from you detailing your expenditures - bills, mortgage, savings, investments, vacations, cars, etc.... and then told you that you weren't living in a home/apartment that I would be satisfied living in, driving a car that I wouldn't give to my 16 year old daughter, sending my kid to a school that wasn't in the top 10 in the nation, going to vacation only in the US, or saving NEARLY enough for the future (but your obviously do), how would you answer such a reply? Yes.....experts on the internet really do come in every size and flavor! USMCFLYR |
Disregard NowCorporate he is the same guy that is Gulfstream 200 from flight info, same blow hard nonsense, new name. He makes $300k/yr and works only 3 days a month (his choice of days, of course), he'll be happy to tell you about how crappy your job is and how great his is, he knows everything, just ask him. Hell, you don't need to ask him, he'll just tell you.
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
(Post 1112203)
You tell me... 150k a year is 12.5k per month gross. Assume you're married with 2 kids, you get dinged 4k in taxes per month so your net will be around 8.5k.
Not enough to live in a nice area? Or do you have to keep up with the Joneses? |
Originally Posted by Climbto450
(Post 1113349)
Dude i drive a prius and my wife drives a camrey we arent exactly keeping up with " the jonses" as you call it. 2500 a month for rent in HB good luck dude that will be in some transient condo/apt building in HB. You obviosly are not living in the same realty as the rest of us. 150k is okay if your spouse works. We pay about 37% in taxes because my wife and i make over 200k. We live in a little suburban home in valencia ( far stretch from your grand notion of a million dollar HB home that you think will only cost 2500 per month) and it is still more then 2500 per month. 1 kid, 401k plans, college savings, insurance, car payments, $4 per gallon gas, food, utilities. Do the math we go in debt most months. Everyone thinks that these 150k a year jobs pay too much but most of them are in in LA/NY areas and these are extremly expensive areas to live in. I will leave you with my favorite quote " you don't know what you don't know"
Secondly, I left HB in 2008, and I can assure you, even today, I'll find a nice place for $2500 or less in location that I want - not in some "transient housing." Just a quick glance showed me a few townhouses in very nice location for less than $2000... Again, individual choices. Mind you, that's rent. I will not own anything in SoCal as the prices are still unreasonable. Instead, I own a house in another part of the country. As for you going to debt most months on over 200k a year, again - individual choices. It's your choice to go into debt... |
NowCorporate, I don't play an underpaid martyr pilot... whatever that is. I live and work abroad, and I'd put up my compensation package and lifestyle against yours any day and most likely leave you in the dust - just looking at what you pay for family insurance - 8K/year??! Just as a quick comparison - no out-of-pocket insurance costs for us - medical, dental, vision, prescription, life, loss-of-license, AD&D... all 100% paid for by my employer - far better coverage than I had at the airlines back in the US, which I'm sad to say, was still seemingly better than yours. BTW... our current medical coverage is valid worldwide and in most Western countries available through direct billing as opposed to reimbursement. But that's another discussion altogether... Maybe next time I come through NY, and we go through there fairly often, I'll treat you for a drink/lunch/dinner of your choice, and we can talk and toast in person about solving all the world problems and maybe you can explain to me what an underpaid pilot martyr is. Though I do hope you get a better medical plan though - your share of 8K/year is ridiculous! It's sad how far the US has slipped in terms of compensation for professionals... but I digress.
So it's clear that you wouldn't accept a job in SoCal for 150k a year because in your opinion, you're better than that. I hear ya - I wouldn't accept a job in the US for 150k a year - unless I had no choice. Getting taxed through the nose before I even get paid, and then getting a bill for 8k for insurance on top of that... at Fortune 5 company no less?! You can keep that... But here's the fundamental difference between you and I. If I had to go back to the US... let's say back to SoCal, and I made $100k, not 150k, I'd still make it work... and it wouldn't be the end of the world. The trick is to live within one's means, and if you can't live in SoCal within your means at 150k a year... you're keeping up with the Joneses. I'd still most likely stay debt-free and none of my family would suffer or go hungry. Think it can't be done? Ask USMCFLYER about living in San Diego as a Marine officer and an F-18 pilot.... think his family went hungry or mingled with "migrant workers"? I can guarantee you he made far less than 150k a year. Climbto450, just a quick link you may find useful - Dave Ramsey Homepage - daveramsey.com Anyhow, to each their own... I stand by what I said. You can have the last word. ;) Have a great weekend! :) |
I see, you dont even live/work in the US or raise a family here?
This is starting to make sense....in fact you know what R, I still have your resume from about 2 years ago. Looking at it right now, you certainly never "dusted" my salary at any of the airline/charter jobs listed there and you aren't right now by flying an EMB in the sandbox. Lifestyle? Mideast? No thanks...but its the internet man, be whatever you want. ANYHOW...back to the topic? I don't see many G550 SoCal jobs that offer military housing.....so, in all due respect, no need to get USMCFlyers opinion on that for this topic...and again, to each his own but most of us dont want to raise our family in an apartment, even if the Europeans do. Good to hear you enjoy living outside the US. I wouldn't live abroad if it tripled my salary tomorrow. Not many go that route by choice and I'm certainly not in aviation for the big money lol. Having been most places, I'd never consider living anywhere but here, certainly not the Mideast...I love America...expensive healthcare, horrible compensation and all...but like you said, thats just by choice, and certainly not the question here. I can also assure you that you can live just fine on 150K in the vast majority of areas (including where I live) Never suggested otherwise. I dont want the last word, nor to debate the US Healthcare system. All I asked was for you to quickly explain how one is "keeping up with the Joneses" on 150K with a family of 4 in SoCal. You never answered. You missed out accounting for 50%+ of basic needs we listed. You gave us a Dave Ramsey link. I will take you up on a few beers anytime and we can solve the worlds problems....us pilots are good at that. I also get over your way on occasion. Enjoy your weekend also. |
Originally Posted by NowCorporate
(Post 1113405)
I see, you dont even live/work in the US or raise your family here?
I don't see many G550 SoCal jobs that offer military housing.....so, in all due respect, no need to get USMCFlyers opinion on that for this topic...and again, to each his own but most of us dont want to raise on family in an apartment, even if the Europeans do. You must be thinking of the 1950s military if you think even a small minority of military officers living in the SoCal area are living in military housing. MOST military officers and their families are living out in town AT ALL military bases below the Grapevine (we'll keep this conversation geographical). They would get a basic allowance for housing, which included with other military compensation still would not come near to equaling the compensation packages that seem to be the target of this thread. There is no need to get my opinion on that - I stated it earlier in another post. There are THOUSANDS of military families living, working, and building a life in SoCal that are doing all of the things mentioned in this thread who are not making (alone or with a dual income) near the amount of salary previously discussed here. Personally - I chose to offer myself to the Harrier Gods when I selected for community rather than live in SoCal (Orange County at El Toro for the Marines at the time). I spent my whole career avoiding California altogether until the last 4 years when I eventually found myself in CENTRAL CA - a whole different world away from SoCal! Only in those last two years (and the 6 months after retirement) did I find myself living in San Diego and as I stated earlier, I never gave a second thought to actually settling down there for a variety of reasons. USMCFLYR |
Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
(Post 1113371)
First off, I never said that 150k is too much money. I simply said that it's not a bad living - it's a normal middle class lifestyle.
Secondly, I left HB in 2008, and I can assure you, even today, I'll find a nice place for $2500 or less in location that I want - not in some "transient housing." Just a quick glance showed me a few townhouses in very nice location for less than $2000... Again, individual choices. Mind you, that's rent. I will not own anything in SoCal as the prices are still unreasonable. Instead, I own a house in another part of the country. As for you going to debt most months on over 200k a year, again - individual choices. It's your choice to go into debt... |
Originally Posted by NowCorporate
(Post 1023540)
You can bet your life these decisions are made by me!
Pilots are some of the worst career planners on the planet. Nobody trying to fill a good job wants to hire an unemployed person, that's a fact. They want someone who knows what they want and is eager to get it, not some one who needs something, anything. This is often seen with unemployed pilots who send resumes all over the world and wind up with a few mediocre interviews. They blame the economy, their location, nobody has the budget to move them (that's my favorite lol) etc etc...now, they often find something and are happy to plug along but they lost the battle long ago IMO. They are often underqualified and don't do much to change this, even during unemployment. They wait for change to happen. They don't put any thought into how the position would suit their needs, personal and professional. No good place wants to hire this. My wife has been telling me this for years, as she has run her own consulting/recruiting business since kids came. Hearing stories about corporate aviation she was always amazed at how narrowly focused pilots are...many concentrate on type ratings and currency and think that's the key, but they often miss the big picture. They cruise the internet pilot job sites and consider that looking for work/networking. Ever see the majority of jobs listed online? lowest of the low unless they are poached from corporate sites, where 99% of the time they are already filled. Maybe its because many pilots are happy just to fly an airplane and that's all they want? and will accept wherever that takes them and try to adapt (or gripe a lot) to what is offered. I think thats somewhat common, and may work just fine for some. So be it. I'm not here to judge, but can't relate. I'm fortunate that I have never been out of work. I can also say that the very best opportunities that have come my way were by people specifically looking to take you out of a known position and place you in theirs. They were very concerned about your drive, motivation, goals...not your last recurrent at FlightSafety. They were not really interested in unemployed people. I also know my job could go away tomorrow, and after the initial "DAMN! I liked this job" I would be OK with that really. It's just a job. You can bet I have other plans, both in aviation and out. I could not live any other way. I also am sure to keep this career "maintenance" a small (but routine) part of my life, work is work...it pays the bills and that's important, but its still a small part of my overall life! ANYHOW...useless NowCorporate career/life advice is over. You get what you pay for.. :) does this come from your whopping 18550 hours of flight experience? Gulfstream 200 Database Expert Posts: 4,551 Civ/Mil: Senior International Training Captain Director of Training Chief Pilot Gulfstream Specialist Forum Leader Vbulletin and Frontpage expert top secret Webmaster plus various other industry titles A/C Flown: GII/GIIb/GIIc/GIId/GIIIac/GIIIdc/GIV/GIVsp/G300/G350/G375/G400/G450/GV/G550/ all Gulfstreams FL510 with an online picture album!........plus a few junky non Grumman birds - Global Expresses and Challengers Ratings: GULFSTREAM CAPTAIN, former Civil Air Patrol Lt. Colonel Curr Position: Forum Leader Lounge Monitor Total Time: 18,550 someone feeling a little inadequate? couldn't make up any more bogus garbage? 18550 for a 39 year old such as yourself even when only flying 100-150 hours a year, simply amazing? Flightinfo.com Hangar
Originally Posted by Gulfstream 200
2009 - 150hrs / approx 40 overnights
2008 - 90hrs / approx 40 overnights 2007 - 155hrs / approx 50 overnights 2009 was a 3 pilot 1 airplane gig....prior to that was a Fortune XX job with many pilots and planes...average line pilot flew approx 225hrs/yr and 6-8 overnights a month. |
LOL, somebody joined APC for the sole purpose of "outing" G200....
This might come as a HUGE surprise to ya FlyerAPC, but G200's Flightinfo profile is...wait for it...a bunch of sarcastic internet nonsense. Unpossible I know, but true. |
Originally Posted by BoilerUP
(Post 1118503)
G200's Flightinfo profile is...wait for it...a bunch of sarcastic internet nonsense. Unpossible I know, but true.
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Skull-1, is that you?!?
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